If anything, shouldnât it be encouraged, and even automated? Iâm including even the âoldâ stuff from reddit here. Reddit shouldnât be the absolute owner of the content submitted by users. When I migrated here, it wasnât because of me being against reddit users, but being against reddit the company. Copying the content here actually hurts the company in sense that they donât get to then gatekeep the crowdsourced content.
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Most content that gets posted on social media is âstolenâ from another social media site. Thatâs not really an issue.
But there are bots posting up threads from subs like AITA (complete with links to Reddit) where thereâs no point engaging with a non-existent OP, so the threads do not get any engagement. And they often get posted in massive batches so it fucks up your feed too.
Lemmy needs to develop its own culture and that is made harder by people trying to make it a mirror of Reddit.
Also, as long as it links there, it serves the completely ass-backwards purpose of actually providing Reddit with extra traffic. Probably not a lot though, I guesss.
Came here to say this as well. I donât mind âstolenâ content. Thatâs the only way Iâll ever see it, as Lemmy is the only media I usually pay any attention to. The links though are obnoxious. I have zero interest in following it to reddit, and as you said, thereâs no engagement here. Itâs a waste of space.
This is correct. Itâs worth noting that there are some communities that itâs probably fine for. If youâre posting news, memes or gifs, it doesnât matter where they come from and itâs a much different thing than posting a question. But there are reams of bot-posted content in discussion communities that have zero comments and end up reducing engagement when people see all those.
I donât see it that way. I think itâs also a problem with meme posts being automatically copied over. I really like the engament and like to interact with the community. Reading and writing comments is why Iâm on a forum style website. And I wrote A LOT of them
This is my 500th comment on this account alone. I had a few others before settling on this one and I also was pretty active on reddit with over 100.000 Karma most of it in comment karma
Iâm also a prolific commentor. Iâm unlikely to comment on something like an AITA post that was copied from elsewhere by a bot, but that hesitation doesnât apply if itâs like a news item or a meme. Maybe if there are suddenly hundreds in a row Iâd be less likely.
Even on Reddit, much of that kind of content originated on Facebook, Twitter, or whatever.
Sure, but itâs bad if theres more content that the users can comment on. It gets boring after a while
Iâve been struggling with this. I have been posting a lot to the !buildapcsales@lemmy.ml community to try to get it going. At one point, I thought âthese are just links to deals, wouldnât it be easier to have a bot steal them from Reddit?â
But then I realized that while the links to deals have some value, itâs really the community and discussion that provides value. Would you rather have a bot creating a hundred posts a day with no comments? Or a few posts made by actual people with whom you can ask questions or have a discussion?
On the other hand. I se no issues with spamming Reddit with Lemmy links to posts.
Exactly. Donât shit on your own doorstep. Shitting on theirs is fine.
And of course. Looks like Reddit blocks Lemmy links.
https://lemmy.world/post/3629395
People think Lemmy should be Reddit, but when Treads Federates it will be something very different. I fully expect that Threads users will very quickly subscribe into LW communities and thus we will be something much bigger than reddit ever dreamed.
Threads may or may not federate with Mastodon. It has not announced any plans to mimic Kbin and handle Lemmy as well.
the app thatâs integrated with instagram is gonna federate with lemmy? why and how?
Automatically copying content from reddit is killing user interaction. I donât want to see thousands of shitty posts with zero comments and where OP isnât even a human that could react so I donât even have any intention of wringing comments
I have no problems with manually doing it though. Heck I myself do it. The difference is that I only repost what I seam to be worthy a repost.
Yeah, stuff like crossposting is one thing. People do it across communities and subreddits, so may as well post stuff on both sites so you can get inputs from both userbases.
But the automatic copying stuff is too much. I blocked the lemmit bot almost as soon as it showed up because it became almost impossible to not see content that was being copied over by it.
Yeah thereâs something about the ratio of posts to active users. If it gets too high, thereâs just a sea of posts with comments too diluted. A lot of subs just donât have the users to support the same level of posts that equivalent reddit subs have.
Itâs also important to remember too that while the vast majority of Lemmy users by far are Reddit migrants, just because youâve seen something before doesnât mean someone else has. Any bit of content can make someone part of the lucky 10000:
https://xkcd.com/1053/
Itâs not that people think content from Reddit is stealing, itâs that we donât want our feeds polluted with bots autoposting bullshit.
Why would we want a whole copy of Reddit? Reddit is a toxic pit.
Iâm only against reposting reddit posts with a bot.
If you see content thatâs interesting anywhere, by all means, bring it here.
Reddit will still have higher search hits and Lemmy is outmatched. Dumping content from Reddit just makes this no better than a mirror. It stops real and unique content from hitting the top and this place wonât attract new users if they can just use Reddit which at this point has the content directly and is more reliable.
Iâve seen a number of communities that are otherwise dead without Reddit reposts, and being the most subscribed community for a given topic with the latest post being months ago is definitely not going to attract new users.
Itâs either donât repost, and new users wonât join because of dead community, or repost and have some activity, and maybe new users will join. With dead communities, new users wonât magically join, and new content wonât magically get created.
One such example was the bcpcsalescanada community, which was revived due to reposts.
This is unfortunately part of migrating. Not all communities can just move over. Larger ones will develop and with that side communities will start with a large enough user base. Reposting in this case still doesnât do anything other than give you the exact same content as Reddit just now itâs without an interactive user base.
Iâm not sure I agree⌠Or more precisely, it depends. !bapcsalescanada@lemmy.ca is an example of a community where there is value in reposting content from Reddit over, where the value is getting the coverage of deals. On Reddit, a small majority of users actively seek and share deals. If those users donât move to Lemmy, that community is dead, period. No amount of enticement will introduce new content.
The secondary value now is that, previously, many users had to go to Reddit for that content, because that content isnât available on Lemmy. Reposting isnât just to kick-start user engagement, but is also a retention tool. Users donât need to go to Reddit to fetch that info anymore. I know that was the case for me.
I understand the consequence of Lemmy being a mirror of Reddit. And yes, over reposting is detrimental. This is where reposts need to be strategically applied where it makes sense.
Ideally you donât want a blood transfusion. But in specific circumstances, a blood transfusion kick-starts the healing/growth process.
lemmit.online should serve your Reddit needs⌠I just find that automated post copiers or serial reposters donât add value to a discussion. They never reply to comments for example.
Lemmy flourishes by being its own thing, why would it need to perpetually be in Redditâs shadow?
If all you want is a clone of reddit, you can just go to reddit.
Lemmy is its own community with its own users and culture that will develop over time. Let it grow organically rather than trying to make it reddit Jr.
Nothing is stopping reddit users from creating content over here. But taking their content to a platform theyâre not part of isnât really fair to them, is it?
Weâre trying to create something new here, not be a mirror or an archive of Reddit.
I think âstealingâ from reddit is fine, but the automated stuff sucks. Lemmy isnât just supposed to be a carbon-copy of reddit. Having everything flooded with reddit posts would lead to Lemmy just being a dead âReddit archiveâ without original content or engagement. Just look at places like /c/AskReddit@lemmit.online , completely dead. Lemmy doesnât even have the userbase to actually engage with such a large amount of content and having thousand of bot posts will be incredibly detrimental to the community.
And besides, why and how would I fucking Ask Reddit on lemmy?
This. I literally block every bot and every bot-infested community.
Because automated reposts just drown out all the posts that people are actually participating in. Yes you could scrape reddit and repost all the content here but lemmy doesnât have the userbase of reddit so your feed would just be full of a bunch of dead bot made posts.
But if a person deliberately reposts something from reddit in a Lemmy community where it fits and adds to the community then thatâs perfectly fine.
Also we arenât a reddit repository. If someone wants all the reddit posts in their community they should just be using reddit.
And neither should you, nor anyone else here running a reddit scraper bot.
If users want to (re-)post their content here as well, awesome, but automatically scraping reddit to repost other peopleâs content (which they then donât know about, and canât really interact with or control like itâs their own content.) is just spam imo.
Create and post your own original content while letting others worry about their own content. People can make their own decisions, why should you have the right to override that?
Iâm fine with bots reposting images. Memes and whatever. Because the discussion is pretty irrelevant. What Iâve been seeing a lot of is bots reposting text posts. Like r/amitheasshole and the like. It pisses me off. Doesnât make any goddamn sense, the OP isnât here, you canât discuss with them. And they always lack any conversation on here. Itâs just spam and I report it as such.
Itâs kinda beat seeing a whole wall of automated reddit reposts from bots, nobody ever comments on them. But I get that thereâs some content we may wanna see among it. However, I donât like seeing links directly to Reddit, Iâm not trying to give them traffic at this time
I think the strength of a community shouldnât primarily be built upon content another separate community or platform produces.
Now there are givens, like major news and art which âtranscendsâ a singular platform. But repeatedly just lifting content from somewhere else (aside from if you are the creator yourself obviously and wanting to share to different platforms) and shipping it over here isnât a good look when Lemmy wishes to be a separate aggregator from Reddit.
Iâm copying my best jokes, anecdotes, and philosophical maundrings over manually, but
1 ) only my own content, and
B ) in ways thatâs not âgo look at this thing on redditâ, and of course
]I[ ) only in relevant communities or my own personal communy
So, in summary: Sourcing and curation are key to this, and automating the process is bad for both.
Not automated, but if you see something there that brings something on the table, by all means post it here. Thereâs nothing you can really steal from Reddit, and even if there was, go ahead and make it impossible to catch you. Companies like that donât deserve any considerations from regular guys like us.
I manually take content from Reddit.
I select myself what content to copy, so itâs not like bots than tend to spam things.
Feedback seems pretty good so far.
The biggest thing is talking to people about their thoughts on a subject. Bots canât do that (âŚyet?)
Thatâs because youâre doing it right. Youâre not just some reddit spambot.
The engagement is whatâs valuable. You canât have engagement without content, thatâs true. However, content without engagement is worthless.
With that in mind, if you âstealâ a post from reddit and it generates engagement over here, nobody will have any problems with that. However, if you âstealâ a bunch of posts from reddit and spam them over here, they probably wonât get engagement and therefore only serve to clutter the feed with empty content.
Itâs important to remember that Lemmy and the Fediverse is a community, just like reddit is a community. Each of those communities behaves differently and has different expectations. Once you learn the community and the expectations, it becomes a lot easier to understand what you should and should not post.
Are you an âexpatâ from Reddit or are you here to stay and help Lemmy grow and be its own thing?
Answer that.
Heâs here⌠why does it matter?
I came here because my favorite app, Sync for Reddit, died like the other 3rd party apps. I still use reddit some because the groups I was a part of there donât really exist here, or not with much volume anyway. Ketorecipes for instance⌠if I want to see new recipes frequently, I gotta go to reddit, but I wouldnât if their content was being x-posted. If I post a recipe itâll be here but in a recipes forum, like many other subject types, youâre more commonly a reader than a content maker. I have no doubt the small community here will grow eventually but for now itâs limited by the low subscriber/contributer count.
Can Lemmy be more/different than reddit? Sure. Can Lemmy be similar to, a replacement for and yet better than reddit? Absolutely.
We just donât want to incentive repost bots to, well, exist.
If I see something cool I post it here. I donât browse reddit anymore but once a month Iâll check reddit. If I see something cool Iâll post it here.
That should be for the user in question to decide, shouldnât it?
Morality doesnât matter. Internet content has been copied and posted to other sites since before reddit existed. Copyright is frequently ignored, if not mocked outright.
A user should assume that anything they post could wind up anywhere. If someone doesnât want something to be copied elsewhere, they should make it clear and obvious is the post, or better yet, not post it at all.
Cars are frequently stolen when parked outside. Private ownership of cars is ignored if not openly mocked by car thieves. If you park your own car outside, you should assume it will be stolen. So make sure to always post a sign on your car whenever you park it outside reading âThis car is mine. Please do not steal it,â if you donât want it to be stolen, or better yet, donât park it outside at all.
Itâs a bad take. Itâs not how ownership works. You have copyright protection by nature of the fact that you created a piece of content. Youâre not required to remind people of that fact in order to be protected, even if random internet person asserts that you should in their social media post.
Thatâs not the only reason itâs bad though. The idea that âI donât like the way Reddit is treating their users, so to get back at Reddit⌠Iâm going to violate the rights of the very same users I claim have been wronged by copying their content and posting it somewhere without their consentâ is just baffling to me. Youâre banking on the fact that random internet user probably wonât sue you⌠and youâre probably right! By taking advantage of that situation, youâre not âpwning Reddit.â Youâre taking advantage of the person who created it in the first place. Ironically, if Reddit had further abused the situation by not just creating the honeypot where people would create free content for them but also by claiming ownership of that content, youâd have a cease and desist in a matter of days once your bot went live and we wouldnât have to see this same question posted 2-3x a week on Lemmy.
Iâm no intellectual property crusader. Itâs messed up that corporations can consolidate intellectual property to the extent they have and extend copyrights for generations. Itâs wild that we grant trademarks on vague ideas and then allow trolls to build businesses that do nothing but hold them and use them as weapons against people trying to actually make things. But if anyone should have the benefit of copyright protection, itâs the lowly internet user who posts content for free on social media for your entertainment.
I never thought Iâd experience the âyou wouldnât download a carâ argument personally.
I guess my example is that, isnât it? đ My point is that you generally donât have to remind people of your rights in order to enjoy them, and thatâs true for copyright. Pick your own favorite right and replace my car analogy with it.
Now, I just need to find a way to compare cross-posting Reddit content without permission to the Nazis and describe Lemmy as âthe Uber of ,â and Iâll have achieved the triple crown of cliche analogies. đ
Lol. One recommendation: when arguing about copyright, donât substitute physical goods for material that can be easily duplicated when making an argument. Substitute a patent? Sure. Substitute a different type of copyrighted (or copyright adjacent) material? Sure. But itâs really hard to get past the fundamental difference between stealing a physical good â in which the person youâre stealing from no longer has the item â and copying a good, in which now both people have the item.
To compare stealing a car with stealing digital goods, it would go more like: how would you feel if someone snuck over and built an exact duplicate of your car and drove it away?
One recommendation: when you tell people how they âshouldâ talk, you sound like a jackass
You still havenât, mate.
Did you read what he wrote or just the first 2 sentences before you thought up that line and clicked reply?
Itâs just not worth debating. If I post something online, itâs only reasonable for me to expect that someone might steal it. It doesnât matter what my personal preferences or ethics are.
It sucks because I canât interact with the OP
get used to interacting with bots, didnât you hear, they are the future
If the repost bot would learn OPâs style from history then mimic OP that could be nice.
In the future, all posts will be randomized
There are a ton of people that decry reposts of any sort. I think the fact it comes from reddit given them more ammo in the sense that it came from reddit so it is even more poisonous to their pure and only new/original content online existence. If they have seen, so have you after all.
And on reddit, those folks were rampant. Like a circle jerk of gatekeepers reaching over to help one another out.
And buttercup donât like seeing things twice.
As long as you arenât claiming that youâve made something that someone else made, I donât see a problem with it.
If you happen to see a news story break on Reddit, I hope you will post it here.
Because itâs basically saying that youâre so dull or lazy or unimaginative that you canât even manage to come up with a post of your own, and so pathetic and needy that youâre just going to copy someone elseâs.
Or you enjoyed a post and thought others might as well. I was picturing memes, not shower thoughts for posts, so that was a little jarring to read
Fuck Reddit. Itâs shit, full of crap memes, terrible conversation and fucking wierdos. Youâll get jumped for anything you say. Leave Reddit on Reddit. Whatâs the point of this becoming an extension.
I mean, I miss being able to talk about the show I listen to, with fans of the show. There are no Bonfire listeners here and I can promise you there probably wonât be any other than me. Their fanbase isnât nerds, its normies. They didnât understand the API stuff that happened on reddit. Theyâre just there cause thatâs the easiest place to talk about the show.
on Lemmy, its a great atmosphere and I donât miss the reddit behavior⌠but there are less communities here for my hobbies and interests.
Fair point. Whenever I scroll through it , all I see is trans this and USA that, and crappy memes made by 12 year olds that just arenât funny. Thereâs a few communities I used to check occasionally but since they all went private, I can t read them since I never had an account.
Oof yeah. I do not miss talking to someone on reddit only to realize itâs some fucking 14 year old kid and heâs trolling on reddit in the middle of class.
I think itâs kind of the same thing as Reddit users scoffing at people posting content from 9Gag (is that still a thing?) or iFunny
imho itâs fine to copy it here but iâd prefer if you scrubbed all references to its origin including usernames.
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