We Should Focus On Building Kbin, Not Getting Back at Reddit. Here's How We Do It. - RedditMigration - kbin.social
kbin.socialWhile most of the people here upset and rightfully so, we have got to move past the angst to actually build this place out.
We have to recreate the environment and communities we’ve created on on Reddit here, so that people don’t feel like they’re missing out being on kbin.
That way, the next time Spez goes full Elon, we already have everything in place to make the jump.
I help run r/MMA on Reddit. We aggregate news as well as bringing on MMA figures for AMAs.
We, like many other magazines here, will need a way to quickly aggregate breaking news onto our magazine, and the easiest way to do that is going to be through a bot that mirrors submissions to our subreddit.
At least for the mags that rely on breaking news, if we implement this at scale, the end user wont be missing much by migrating over here if they get all the same great breaking news.
Do we have any bot builders in the house who could take this on as a project?
We would be leveraging Reddit’s own userbase at scale to better kbin, and eventually beat them in the long run. That’s the biggest L we could ever deal them.
EDIT: WASN’T SURE THIS WAS GONNA BLOW UP. IVE MADE https://kbin.social/m/BotIt FOR DEVELOPMENT. IF YOU’RE INTERESTED AND CAN HELP OR JUST WANT TO FOLLOW THE PROJECT, COME ON OVER. THANKS.
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Devs (like me) can help, the main issue is hosting the bot somewhere and covering the costs, but I think is a good idea.
Maybe create a magazine for it to get some additional support? I could edit the top post.
EDIT: https://kbin.social/m/BotIt
I will take a look at the technical side, I want to know how easy it is to make something like this. I won’t make promises but if manage to get something working I’ll let you know.
I don’t think basic scraping will be particularly difficult, especially if the rates are kept low. While I also don’t think it’s actually the right way forward, I’ll happily help out.
The API prices are high, but maybe it can be done with just one or two calls, which would make it almost nothing. Of course, the API might just disappear one day.
Fuck the API, scrape the HTML from old.reddit.com for free
https://kbin.social/m/BotIt if you would be willing to help
If Reddit has proven anything as of late, they’re unreliable as a partner.
I’m clearly not a developer but would have reservations in relying on the API just for how erratic they are.
Nah, I mean more that I think relying on people to just post stuff themselves would be better for the community. But scraping would be the way forward, relying on the API would be prohibitively expensive IMO.
You think using the api is better? I’ll take a look at it
No, no, I think it would ultimately be better to rely on people to post stuff. But scraping links would be better than using the API.
I made https://kbin.social/m/BotIt for us to congregate
What are the decentralized p2p storage options for hosting bots, would decentralized hosting and storage options be a viable solution?
You can get VPS’s for like $30 a year these days.
I keep hearing this but all the VPS solutions I find cost an arm + leg. What VPS solutions cost $30/year?
Vultr has VPSs starting at $2.50/mo ($30/yr)
I also commonly find links to really cheap servers on nerdvittles.com
Example:
https://my.racknerd.com/cart.php?a=add&pid=735
$13/mo
I’ve built scrapping bots like this before. Would definitely be an interesting project.
https://kbin.social/m/BotIt lets do it!
It’s trivially easy, but you’d be pulling in a lot of noise along with the signal, creating more moderation headaches for yourself (think of all the low-effort and spam stuff you usually have to filter out). You’d be better off scraping the content you want from primary sources directly rather than mirroring every post that goes to your old forum.
Do not make this place a mirror of reddit.
I’m not even talking about the legality of mirroring another site. You really want to give ammo to the CEO of reddit and allow him to claim that his competitors are attempting to mirror his content?? Can you imagine how he is going to use this if you do it?
Just post your own content, if you have a real interest into MMA then it should be easy.
The “fear of missing out” is something you should not listen to. Do not replicate the content of reddit, why would you do that? Just create your own content. If it’s news then read your sources and post the news.
Well, post something if you find it interesting. And let other people post what they think is interesting. You don’t need no machinery for that. We want quality content, not the quantity delivered by a spambot machine, which in the ends are adbots, posting advertised stuff like the endless NBA stuff. If you read nothing interesting in the news then post nothing in your subs.
We must not duplicate what reddit did wrong. And the 3rd party tool is not the only thing that reddit did wrong. What reddit did wrong is content for the sake of content, for the thumb constantly swiping down. This is not good for reddit and this is not good for kbin. This is good for no one.
The quality and content of reddit collapsed, do not duplicate it here.
We want the creators, not the followers. Do not listen to the followers who are addicted to new content. I don’t want people just watching the endless ribbon of news, posting a “lol” or a one liner from time to time. Are you sure that you are not the one who fears of missing out? Are you dependent on popularity or somethin’? Because it surely looks like so.
What next? You want to mirror publicfreakout so we again watch american people fight into airplanes and governors banning books on the other side of the planet? Because this is what you’re gonna get.
edit: And we didn’t even talk about the COST of handling automated, mirrored content. If reddit cannot pay for it then neither can Ernest.
edit: If all of you who upvoted OP instead posted something they find interesting in the subs they follow then we would not have this discussion.
what is so wrong with this? the reason reddit is successful is because there are infinite genres of content. i think you make a strong argument that we shouldn’t mirror reddit…
but people posting videos like /r/fightporn or /r/crazyfuckingvideos or whatever I think is perfectly fine and should be encouraged
What’s wrong? There are people fighting around the world all the time. This is not content, this is distraction. And now there is distraction specially created FOR publicfreakout, with people picking fight just so they can have a video and post it to reddit. This is just an example of what is wrong. Do you want this “content” here? I don’t.
If we mirror reddit: first we won’t be able to pay the bill, this argument alone should discredit the mirror thing. Second, we will encounter the same deadweight problem that redit encountered.
Please post content that matters to you, not to what you think the audience want.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but even working a full time mid-career corporate job, I think I can make time for both. It doesn’t have to be either-or.
I think it’s mainly about introducing new users to the fediverse and making it easier to understand, I’m glad I found out about this stuff and am happy to learn more.
I think it is for a lot of magazines, however our magazine and subreddit requires timely news to really get going.
Great idea! I really miss r/MMA
Ah it seems I wasn’t the only one who thought about this - https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/38958/Bot-that-will-repost-reddit-content-to-kbin-fediverse#entry-comment-159480 !!! Fully support this idea, will join the magazine and see how I can contribute to mirroring content from Reddit to Kbin.
Yep it was my 2nd ever post on here from a week ago: https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/t/10949/Could-Someone-Build-a-Bot-that-Mirrors-Subreddit-Submissions#comments
Glad this one took off and we can hopefully build this. Fingers crossed.
If you want an even dirtier approach, you’d make a browser extension that scrapes reddit as your browse it and forwards links you upvote to kbin / lemmy or whatever. This has the benefit of being indistinguishable from regular browser traffic as far as reddit is concerned so they won’t notice.
Agreed, I‘m actually on somewhat of an upvoting and commenting spree and creating accounts on all sorts of instances. I know I can move around too, but with defederating being a thing I prefer multiple accounts. Kbin so far visually is the nicest to me and it loads super fast!
Fully agree with every word.
Is there a way to find subchannels- er, “magazines” so I can subscribe to what interests me? The search bar kind of blows for finding magazines.
https://browse.feddit.de/
Only lemmy communities. Seems to rank according to number of comments.
https://kbin.social/magazines
All magazines from this particular instance.
What I did was just browsing threads from “all” and subscribing to magazines from there (and also blocking others).
draft - This is a good post. Should/can I post this post link with a short description to my mastodon account? What about my twitter account?
I like your idea :) Has anyone contacted the 3rd party app developers to see if they want to make any apps or bot scripts for this fediverse?
Kbin needs quite a few UX improvements, speaking as a designer/photographer
I don’t know anything about development though