"It's the content, stupid" - some #chaoticgood ways to encourage people to get off of Reddit and onto Kbin - RedditMigration to the "Threadiverse" - kbin.social
kbin.socialJotting some quick notes I've observed so far from running /m/scifi for a couple of weeks and getting to 3K subscribers:...
Jotting some quick notes I’ve observed so far from running /m/scifi for a couple of weeks and getting to 3K subscribers:
- Even though most people will return to Reddit and it’ll be ‘business as usual’ - the seeds of destruction are already in place.
- No one is coming to a place where there’s nothing to read / think about / interact with
- The thing that made Reddit great is content - we came there for content. So when it comes to asking ‘how can we grow Kbin?’ the answer is simple: It’s the content, stupid.
- Reddit has tons of free content - in the spirit of being a #chaoticgood, we can grab the best parts of that content and use it to make Kbin an interesting, thoughtful place to be
- Creating spaces with well-thought-out rules to encourage inclusivity, collaborate, and mutual respect. It’s working out well for /m/scifi
- Redditors know what’s up - they’re pissed at Spez but there’s not much they can do about it. They’ll vote with their feet if we give them a new place to come to.
Thoughts?
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Tracking the lastest news and numbers about the #RedditMigration to open, Fediverse-based alternatives, including #Kbin and #Lemmy To see latest reeddit blackout info, see here: https://reddark.untone.uk/
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- 17 users / week
- 102 users / month
- 3.27K users / 6 months
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Kbin really needs an app to become daily for most people I think. I’ve spent a lot of time on Lemmy because of Jerboa and the fact this whole thing came about because of Reddit screwing over app devs means people will be looking for that be alternative.
This is true ! I do enjoy using the PWA app though
It’s impressively usable, but there are certainly some problems with it right now. I haven’t made a second account to use a Lemmy app because I don’t want two accounts to access the same set of content, but I am eagerly awaiting the API coming online so that app devs can start working on a more polished mobile solution.
You can install an app from the Kbin mobile page to your phone, though. Just go to the mobile page, there’s an install app option under the 3 dots that works.
I use Hermit so that I can reload a page. The PWA didn’t support any kind of reload unfortunately
I’m using that app and the standard “pull the page all the way down” browser gesture refreshes pages
Hey fellow Hermit user. Do you use infinite scroll? And if so, did you have an issue with Hermit snapping to the bottom of the page if you navigated back from a thread loaded via infinite scroll?
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Unfortunately yes. I have it turned off for now
if other fedi projects are any indication, likely a unified API will develop. Mastodon’s API is supported by most other fedi projects, so you can use mobile apps interchangeably. If Lemmy becomes dominant then kbin would have to implement an API to match.
If kbin gets an API, maybe apps like rif is fun can be ported to it!
kbin has an API (docs here), but it isn’t working right now
55% of website traffic comes from mobile devices.
Apps are definitely the “killer app.”
Reddit screwing over app devs also potentially means app devs free to use their skills for Lemmy/Kbin.
I don’t mind it on the browser. It doesn’t feel that different from RiF when you play with the settings. I could use an infinite scroll.
I try to give time and patience to kbin because it’s actually only a month old xD I think it’s this guy called ernesto and some of his friends that are developing for it. They have to fix a lot of things on the site because it’s still in a prototype mode. They work very fast though but yeah I think they’re going as fast as humanly possible right now. I’m glad there is an app being made already right now for both lemmy and kbin.
An app is coming called Artemis (based on Apollo) see more about it here
Supposedly Sync is coming
That’s what I been thinking, I know the Reddit drama is interesting but this platform won’t last unless we forget about it and focus on creating content and engage with it.
Reddit right now is like a car crash. It’s hard to look away. However, there’s a very good reason not to engage, the debate on reddit has become more artificial than most realise.
Reddit’s inflated numbers by using bots and fake accounts since day 1. A quick google will result in articles where they admit as much. We all know reddit’s had increasing amounts of bots, posting content and increasingly comments, but I don’t think people realise how bad it’s become.
It’s not even that time that reddit’s blog accidentally posted about Eglin Air Force base being one of the most reddit addicted cities. I think everyone knows (foreign) governments engage in influence operations online, and that this includes reddit. Even if it’s just on an intellectual level, without truly realising that they’ve been semi-regularly interacting with bots while arguing on reddit. I also don’t think anyone’s naive enough to think that plenty of political content isn’t artificially upvoted or promoted. Same thing goes for product placement.
But the recent shit storm just illustrates reddit the company is part of the problem. Recently, I’ve seen twenty different accounts post the same comment about not needing third party apps, and dusting off their laptop. I’ve attempted to compare the current situation to the previous blackout. You know, when reddit hired someone who defended paedophiles as an admin. Deleted comment. Try an alt. Deleted comment. Posted in subs without karma requirements in a fresh account. Auto-deleted.
When you’re visiting reddit, you’re no longer even watching a car crash. It’s a simulacrum. An imitation of what’s actually happening.
And it’s been like this for a while. I’ve seen naive redditers engaging with bot comments under bot promoted content, posted by bots on more than one occassion.
Reddit has become worse than a hentai date simulator. I don’t think anyone who plays those is particularly proud of it. But what to think of the lonely people who engage in reddit discussions with bots, and think they’ve had a genuine social interaction?
It’s all very dystopian and sad.
I have noticed how many of the “I didn’t know there were 3rd party apps” and “who cares” comments seem to phrase things very similarly and have wondered how many are being posted by bots. RIP Reddit, we’ll remember what you used to be.
Reddit is the default and some of us have gotten used to lurking, since it was always big enough that someone else did the voting and top comments. I look at fediverse as an opportunity for change, and in return asking I become an active community member again. Post the latest you see, comment, explain, etc . At least up vote is the content is good.
As long as you are the mod of your /m/, you can make it clear that direct copy of Reddit is acceptable for your /m/. You’re reposting the link in fediverse, with the intention to initiate conservation here because of better moderation. That sounds fine to me. Even the mod can lead by cross posting from Reddit. Yes, It’s the content. Yes, Reddit is the biggest content source (for now). Don’t shy away from leveraging it.
Consider who we are and who you want to be. The assumption that power users, tech savvy folks moved over to fediverse more openly. I think that is true. Think if you want to start being the “first” of the Internet. That’s how digg was, that’s how Reddit grew, even 4chan made a name being the place for the hottest trash takes and going viral once in a while. So post here, and then cross post into Reddit. If they want to be the adult company a layer higher, then so be it.
I love it! Allow me to contribute to #chaoticgood with this bot I’ve been working on
https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/69416
This is disgraceful!
How dare you use a bot to steal the content bots on reddit stole from insta/tiktok/twitter!
LOL
Upvoted! :D
what about cross-posting content from Lemmy/kbin to Reddit? Showing that, not only in theory, but in practice, you can switch?
That’s actually how the Digg migration really got off the ground. People started bombarding it with Reddit links after they pushed a huge update to the site that everyone hated.
@inkican Agreed. If we post it they will come…The good/bad thing is that we few have a responsibility to start the avalanche of posts…So I’ve been super-active on my lemmy instance, and here to an extent, toward that expicit end.
Very true, I’ve been talking to people and getting them to upload content, I’ve also been trying my best to upload content, comment a bunch of times and upvote alot of people. It ain’t much but it’s a honest work
Would it be the wort idea to create bots to steal top ranked content on reddit and then cross post it to relevant areas of the threadiverse?
Would at least help people stay over here more while the community catches up.
They’re already accusing us of being thieves for not using their shitty app, might as well live up to it.
the content really belongs to us anyway
A bot for posting reddit posts on KBIN communities. https://kbin.social/m/BotIt
I feel like calling it stealing is too aggressive. Reddit is a link aggregator, so a lot of the initial content is a link to somewhere else. It’s technically not Reddit’s OC to begin with, no?
Then, as far as reposting things like images, similar argument—there’s a lot of reposts of that content on Reddit anyway. It’s a grayer area than the former, imho. But as long as you don’t rebadge it like 9gag does, I personally don’t see anything wrong with it as a way to bootstrap activity.
Hell, that’s what these massive AI companies did with their training days. Gotta play a little dirty I guess.
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