Just as the title asks I’ve noticed a very sharp increase in people just straight up not comprehending what they’re reading.
They’ll read it and despite all the information being there, if it’s even slightly out of line from the most straightforward sentence structure, they act like it’s complete gibberish or indecipherable.
Has anyone else noticed this? Because honestly it’s making me lose my fucking mind.
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Is this what it’s like to have a stroke?
Oh thank goodness I thought it was just me. When I read that I thought ‘dang covid messed me up’
Been a few years since having covid, but my wife and I both feel like we lost some memory and brain power from it, even though we were both vaccinated and had less evere symptoms than others.
In our 30s by the way
nah its a copypasta internet meme from waaay back in the day. Probably like around 2004.
Shhh! Don’t tell them my age!
Depends on where really.
This feels like reading a language that you only kinda know.
Wow that genuinely was a struggle to read
It roughly translates, in-context, to “Has any [video game publisher] gone to such lengths to make something so realistic?”
This comment is psychological warfare.
Somebody get this man a doctor, I think he’s had a stroke.
A stroke of genius?
Oh good. I thought it was me.
Such as, the Iraq.
Fuck this is actually funny
Tbh, that was my response lol
I understand what you mean, but I haven’t noticed people not comprehending basic information. Can you give examples?
As a lot of people have already pointed out it’s mostly prevalent in arguments. Like a comment I made on a video about lane splitting on motorcycles.
The video was explaining why lane splitting is safer for cyclists and shows a cyclist get rear ended at a stop light. The title of the video was “Most people don’t understand lane splitting”
I simply commented “No we understand this specific scenario but to continue driving between stopped traffic is completely different”
All the replies to my comment were about lane splitting at a stop sign/stop light. The very thing I specifically stated I understood.
Well that’s sort of a bad example. What your explaining are two separate things. Filtering (moving to the front of a stopped lane by moving between vehicles stopped or by stopping) and lane splitting (moving between lanes at highway speeds).
Iirc filtering is safer but splitting is like way more dangerous but I’d have to look it up.
Legally they are the same.
Depends on where you say legally.
lane splitting is legal on the highways in california, I don’t know about on all streets. it sounds like maybe you shouldn’t do it on streets where you’d run into stop lights, or generally anything more complex than the interstate. personally I’m always careful whenever I see a motorcycle.
why is lane splitting safer? intuition suggests that treating a motorcycle like a car and giving them the same space or more would be safer, especially since you could predict what they’d do better since it would be the same as a car
When all the cars have stopped, that’s the safest time for the cyclist to slither up to the front of the line. At 20 mph on a crowded freeway, it’s a little more dangerous but legal in CA as long as they don’t go more than (iirc) 20 mph faster than traffic. At 65 mph on a still-crowded LA freeway, having a bike race past you doing 90 can be disconcerting to say the least. At least you know if they cause an accident and you’re injured, they’ll probably be your organ donor.
I’m not trying to be rude but did you understand what I said? Lane splitting at a stop light/stop sign/stopped traffic is safer for the cyclist. Lane splitting and continuing to drive between the lanes of stopped traffic is not.
One reason I’ve been told lane splitting is allowed is because motorcycles are air cooled and stopping for prolonged periods in a traffic jam can be bad for the engine. Also by allowing motorcycles to move forward it frees up space for more cars, though that seems like a small impact.
I have to say I find it ironic that all replies here are about the lane splitting too.
I agree with those replies, your message is not clear.
Good evening Ozzy !
I’m afraid there’s nothing new about this, it has been going on for a long time. What I do believe is happening is now that every idiot with a cell phone can jump of sites like lemmy or reddit, we are simply seeing a lot more examples of the problem. Pretty much like when camcorders became affordable to the general public, we suddenly saw all kinds of police brutality videos and some people thought this must be a recent trend when in fact it had been occurring all along.
One of my last comments on Reddit was about this.
It has made me start writing more clearly. There are comments I’ve written that have been wildly misinterpreted from my actual meaning. Part of that is that I tend towards sarcasm, and it doesn’t translate well over the internet no matter how absurd I get with it. But I’ve also started aiming to use more simple sentence structure.
to use simpler sentence structure.
use smol words
Why use many word, when few word do trick?
use less word
word less.
I’ve had the same experience with people (intentionally or otherwise) misinterpreting what I said to mean something completely opposite. And I call them out on it every time, like seriously did you even READ what I said or did you just see a few words and insert your own beliefs into what you thought I was going to say? I’ve actually had some people admit that yes, they did indeed quickly skim without letting the actual words sink in.
It’s really a shame that you’re reducing your writing to the lowest common denominator. Sure there may be times when there’s a reason for that (Earth not flat, dummy), but the rest of the time it drags down the whole conversation to a level where it’s difficult to have a meaningful discussion. If someone is really trying to grasp a concept but they’re missing it then of course you need to drop out of the technical jargon to help them get up to speed, but the ones who are there just to ridicule and troll simply aren’t worth the effort to explain simple concepts to (such as your opinion on women’s reproductive rights is meaningless, the only opinion that matters is that of the woman who is affected by the issue). Keep up the high-quality discussions and ignore everyone who doesn’t make the effort to keep up!
IMO, many (most?) people quite simply don’t think about things. They just have some dogmatic positions they’ve taken for some reasons, and they regurgitate them as necessary.
And that’s a lot of the reason that they so often and so brazenly misinterpret things other people say. They’re not actually reading to comprehend - they’re reading just to get enough of a feel for it to classify it, so that they’ll have some (potentially quite wrong) idea of which bit of rhetoric to trot out in response to it.
You are not wrong. Reading what you typed, I can’t help but think about the people who have spent so much time defending their self-serving opinions that they can no longer have any reaction other than to start arguing. My ex had a bad case of bi-polar. She was really a great person, but any time someone disagreed with her (or even if she thought they were disagreeing) a switch would flip and she would rage at you until she thought she had won. Even walking away wasn’t enough because then she wanted an admission that she was right. Funny thing was that after that had passed and she calmed down, you could talk to her rationally and she could see your point, but it simply wasn’t worth the effort.
Yup. This is the only way. Those people are just trying to get responses. The only way to get win is to not give them what they want.
Honestly I feel like the only reason they do this is to bring people down to their level so they can feel like they are somehow smarter, because that’s a lot less effort than actually learning about the subject. Ah well.
It’s true. It’s a way for them to feel like they are better than someone else.
yeah
At times I’ve been considering using spoiler mechanics to write a “simple English” reply, followed by the actual answer, hidden for only the more discerning reader to uncover.
Sure, there’s that. Also, sometimes I just write bad.
Haha don’t we all!
There’s a difference between simplifying a message and writing at a lower reading comprehension level. I think a lot of accidental incomprehension might just be caused by the reader not being very good at reading English.
In my country (and I think the whole EU), government agencies have to write at a B1 level to make sure official publications and letters are accessible to all citizens. I think that’s a good rule of thumb for online conversations as well. (However, writing pleasant prose at B1 level is a whole different beast. Generally, they’re not very good at it.)
Good point on catering to those who speak other languages, I hadn’t considered that.
So what does a B1 level equate to? I’m assuming it’s lower than college level, probably lower that a high school level? Are we talking like middle school, grade school, or something else?
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Yeah, it’s basically at high school level, so most of the adult population should be able to understand it without much issue.
No worries, thanks for the update. Yeah that makes sense, we would hope that most people make it through high school, although the way they’re going in some parts of the US by gutting the education and white-washing history (they’re actually trying to teach kids that slavery was a GOOD thing!!!) I feel like in a few years a high school education here is going to be meaningless.
One of my favorite Redditisms was picking out incredibly obvious sarcasm with massive downvotes. Bonus points if replied to with a huge angry essay.
And due to the voting patterns, I learned to be suspicious of my own comments that were highly upvoted. I started to see it as a bad smell. My best work was the controversial stuff.
My biggest upvotes were always jokes. If I tried to make reasonable points about anything, or god forbid, shared my experiences - I was downvoted into oblivion and people would actively comment to tell me how much they hated my way of thinking or just repeat to me that I need therapy as if going to therapy harder was some how the answer.
Excuse me but you are interrupting my dopamine flow. Your response appears to be neither a meme, rage bait, justice boner, nor even a pun. I hope you learn from this experience and do better.
“do better” is my personal ragebait.
So many people where I live over use that shit.
Introducing quotes from authors that were related to the subject would really show how people were locked in the context of media immediacy, the environment. Links to outside citations would almost always generate replies from people who obviously did not study the citation and just wanted to respond back.
It used to be something people said ‘out loud’ about people not reading links and just commenting… then it just became normalized.
there’s also the problem of people not reading it in the first place, and the problem of people intentionally misinterpreting what you say in bad faith. those aren’t literacy issues
I was a strong advocate for rediquette for a long time, but the site kept attracting new people who didn’t give a shit about it. You can’t fight the tides of change, I guess.
Unmarked sarcasm via text is just always a bad idea. People don’t realize how much body language, tone, and to an extent history with the person, goes into recognizing sarcasm IRL.
When you remove all of that context… it’s often just an extremely dumb statement, and I for one am just going to take you at your word, because too many people really do mean whatever it is you just said.
It’s also terrible because you get a comment like “I guess the earth really is flat” which maybe 99% of people take as sarcasm, and then the one flat earther or borderline flat earther comes along and goes “wow, lots of people are getting behind this movement!”
It helps to use only happy nice words. A happy sentence is an objective sentence, free from judgements or pronouns.
“You watch that stupid thing too much.”
Starts with a pronoun, contains “stupid”, ends with a judgement. It’ll make people furious and it’s not the content for them but the trigger words they scan for.
“Maybe we could go outside instead of watching TV?”
Same reasoning behind why you said it, different responses sometimes.
You should use emojis to convey sarcasm 🙄
I disagree. It’s a very good game, but I think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.
But does that make us morally superior?
Fuckin cheese squeeze makes my eyeballs itch
At work if I ask 2 questions in an email I’m guaranteed 1 or 0 answers.
My boss is horrible about this. He also doesn’t organize his inbox in conversation view so he’ll randomly pop up in different parts of an ongoing thread and can’t keep track of what people are talking about.
OMG fr. I’ll ask my boss, shall we do option 1,or option 2? and he’ll write back, Yes.
Actchually, that is a perfectly correct response according to propositional calculus.
One or the other? Yes, one or the other.
That’s not just reading comprehension. People are always answering my questions with unapplicable answers.
“Is it on the left or the right?”
“It’s 67, the one with grass in the yard.”
Just answer the damn question rather than providing me other information you decide would be more helpful!
Ok so in defense of dumbasses, we don’t always understand the question. Eg, whose left? In those cases we don’t want to make your clarify the question and drag things out, so we give you what we hope is an unequivocally clear response. It comes from a deep-seeded fear of miscommunication resulting in too many mailboxes with their flags on the wrong side or whatever. We apologize for the pedantry, though. I get that it’s annoying.
When we’re driving typically left means left.
Maybe because there’s 10 kinds of email replies at your workplace
Hah!
I think it has something to do with everything trying to get your attention, and waste your time for metrics.
We ignore signs because we don’t want to read another popup.
We skim text because we don’t want to know about your life story, just the chili recipe, thanks.
We skip or misread instructions because we’ve been doing the job for years, and we’re halfway on autopilot.
We can’t find a restaurant or shop right in front of us because we’re starting to learn to ignore bright colors and flashing lights.
We browse the internet while watching a movie because we’ve seen the same cliche Marvel movie before.
The problem is that sometimes we get so used to these things that we also do it when we shouldn’t be.
Thanks for putting it in words so well. These days I have to default to ‘no thanks’ for most information arriving in front of my face or I get quickly overwhelmed or distracted. Re-learning how to find the important stuff in an ever-changing media landscape takes up quite some energy, especially as the brain gets older.
I have the exact same thing. I have to ‘work’ to ‘pay attention’ to text nowadays. I can spend hours painting minis or roaming a museum, but there’s something about text nowadays that almost pushes my attention away.
I started preferring long form media recently. Audiobooks especially. Social media allows anyone to say a single thing that may or may not be legit, but since it’s bite sized information units they don’t need to back it up. Long form media requires a person to back up what they say, and having that barrier of entry filters out those who probably aren’t worth listening to.
I help companies sell products on Amazon.
One sold protein powder. Product title says “25g of protein”. First bullet point says “25g of protein per serving”. Main image of the product clearly shows “25g protein” on the label. Second image makes it more clear with “25 Grams of Protein Per Serving” in big bold letters. The A+ content (images in product description) repeat this information in big bold letters as well. Both the image gallery and the A+ content showed a picture of the supplement facts panel. The top rated review for the product called out that they liked the 25g of protein per serving.
Customer messages me, “How much protein per serving? Doesn’t say anywhere on the listing.”
Rage. Instant, immediate, and intense rage.
My time in retail and working at a liquor store have shown me that a significant portion of the general population are just straight up illiterate, mostly illiterate, or functionally illiterate. I had to stop allowing myself to get upset when customers would ask dumb questions for the sake of my own sanity.
I used to work in a store selling electronics - like Best Buy (but a foreign distant cousin). It amazed me that so many people were technically challenged.
I always had to assume that the individual I was helping was an idiot, because I had been dumbfounded way to many times.
I’m pretty decent with tech. I definitely know to turn things off and on again, check wifi connection, etc. I’m good with troubleshooting and such, but the IT person at my work who I interact with most treats me like I’m SO DUMB. But I try to remind myself that there are probably so many people who don’t know where the power button is on any of their devices lol.
An example: I get logged out of an account on my computer, so I go to reset my password. The password reset requires an account number that I don’t have
Message to IT: hey, I need to reset my password for this program, can you send me the account number for it?
IT: on the main login page, beneath the password bar, there should be a link that says “forgot password?” Click that and you should be able to reset it
Me: 😑 explains that if you click on that link it requires you to enter account number to reset it
IT: oh
I can relate to that for sure. I’ve found that often it helps writing out all the obvious steps I’ve already tried for them so they don’t waste too much of their time.
Then again, they might have a script they’re forced to follow…
In this particular case it could also be sarcasm because they found it funny (or were annoyed by) that it was mentioned so often. A troll, basically.
Remember when the internet used to be wall of texts. People used to write like writers do. Sentences and paragraphs that comprise a distinct idea. A collection of paragraphs that elucidate the point of view in their head… These days the style of writing online is some kind of line-by-line disjointed train of thoughts. Something resembling a collection of 140 character social media posts. I find it more difficult to grok. Impossible at times. It’s like people aren’t writing for readers. They’re brain dumping one liners off the top of their head.
The reason for this could be that people who are smart enough to write something comprehensible is most likely not going to do so because of the risk of getting comments from brain dumping people. Social media has given everyone a megaphone - even the dumbest individuals. They keep pouring their stupidity onto the internet for everyone to see.
It also doesn’t help that you have meme texts that people will drop and derail the entire point.
“Long detailed documentation meant to generate intellectual conversation”
“Generate deez nuts 😂😂🤣🤣🤣😭😭”
Gottem.
I wonder of more and more people using cellphones for social media has affected this? I use my cellphone primarily and…I definitely don’t write my finest work, shall we say. The typos are aplenty too since I type furiously. I’m investing in a laptop for this very reason. I miss having more robust writing skills.
Yep. I’ve noticed this in maybe the last 3-4 years. I’ve actually wondered if i’ve started getting dyslexia.
I think realistically it’s more to do with the way I use the internet. I scan articles rather than read them unless it’s something i’m really interested in. Google search results, half of them tend to be bullshit so i’ve gotten good at scanning them at insane speed.
Yeah, I literally began typing this response before finishing your post.
…
It’s like with increased information we’ve learned to scan for relevance a lot better, but at the expense of overall comprehension.
Like it gets us by, and gets us through the excess in time.
But, when emotions fly? It’s getting volatile.
Massively! I used to read loads of books now I struggle to get through them at all.
I find it easier to listen to a podcast and scan the internet barely taking any information in from either. I have to really concentrate to do either now. I am working at it. Treating reading articles/podcasts as more of a hobby where I try dedicate some time to it where that’s my only focus.
I am a documentation writer at my day job. I spend an obscene amount of time writing and rewriting support materials for our software to make sure the instructions are as clean as possible. The end users of the software are busy doctors and nurses so I get why they dont have time to read and just want quick answers from our support team. I get that.
What I dont forgive is how many times the support team will complain to me that a scenario or a feature isnt in the documentation, despite me bolding, bullet listing, and highlighting THE EXACT THING THEY ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT. I usually relink it to them and screenshot the relevant section.
People. Do. Not. Read.
What’s a documentary you’ve made recently?
I came so close, ooo you fuckin got me
THIS. I literally got called into an HR meeting because one of our clients threw a giant fit claiming a large, world ending, apocalyptic problem, because of an issue that I already reported on which is literally above his hissy fit message sent on a Sunday morning and he got mad because I replied on Monday at 9 AM literally sending him the screenshot of me reporting the problem to him.
May I suggest that you don’t get a job in IT?
“I try to do a thing on my computer and I get an error message.”
“What does the message say?”
“I don’t know.”
The story of me helping people with computers.
Also one my favourites:
„Nothing works, and this annoying message keeps popping up. I keep closing it, but it just comes back every time. Can you help me?“
Even people on our fucking helpdesk write up tickets like that.
“Caller can’t log in”
Okay what are they logging in too? What creds are they using? Are they getting an error message? what is it? WHY AM I HAVING TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU TO ASK THESE QUESTIONS YOU STUPID FUCK.
Or the classic “I can’t send email”… sent to us by email.
(Kent Brockman voice) JUST TAKE A SCREENSHOT, PEOPLE!!
Aside from reading comprehension, it seems as though people absolutely lack the ability to problem solve. Head scratching is as far as many will go. I can’t count how many times I’ve found inefficient, tedious, or straight up broken systems or out of date info in my office and when I ask people if they’ve ever contacted IT about it or tried to figure it out they just say “Eh, nah, I just leave it and it works itself out.” No. My guy, you’re just doing it wrong/taking an extra 15 minutes to do everything you’re doing because of the workarounds.
I feel called out 😅
Or customer service for that matter.
“I understand your issue, can you please provide me w, x, and y so I can proceed? Also did you try Z?”
“Sure, I tried Z! Here is W”
Preach
Absolutely. At work I realized that if I have paragraphs in emails most people will just read the first sentence and ignore the rest. I have resorted to breaking paragraphs in to very easy to follow bulleted lists and that seems to help a little bit.
I think the most common reason for this is that it forces people to go out of their routine/comfort zone to understand something, which many people aren’t willing to do, either consciously or subconsciously.
Man this pisses me off to no extent. I put in a lot of effort into my work. Craft very detailed emails with everything spelled out, clear as day. Only to find out time and time again no one is reading my emails because they’re too long, yet they have questions about certain aspects of the project… THAT WERE ANSWERED IN MY EMAIL.
Sort of a paradox, isn’t it? The folks that want the information will complain about having to talk to someone despite being provided info, yet they won’t read for the information they’ve requested.
Do they want the information, or do they want a baseless basis of complaint? The world may never know.
Same here! I’ve been organizing g a union at my job, and my coworkers all value transparency and collectivism very highly, when when it comes to the actual work and effort of being collective…it falls short.
I’d spent mo ths researching, writing down meeting minutes, making Q&A sheets…All to be asked the same questions OVER AND OVER AND OVER. It’s even worse when people are skeptical of the subject at hand, too. Sheesh
Axios has this formalized in a style they call “Smart Brevity”. I’ve started using it in some cases and it really does improve readability. Their own use case is breaking down complex and evolving news stories, but it applies to a lot of situations.
I think part of the problem is that so many people nowadays are conditioned to consuming information in bite-sized chunks (eg. tweets), they now just focus on key words and assume they have all the context they need.
It’s akin to the problem I see with technical support help desks, be it the IT support team at work, or my ISP or mobile provider.
They read a few words and parrot the nearest response from their knowledge base/AI bot, and call it a job well done.
I’m literally dealing with this at work right now. Three times on my ticket I’ve been told to undertake a series of steps, which I not only stated I’d done when I first opened the ticket, but I also attached screenshots proving it.
Fucking frustrating.
That may also just be a resources issue. Too many tickets, not enough reps, and the expectation of low average handle time are not exactly conducive to encouraging those deeper dives.
I’ve been running into this so much with paid customer support agents; it’s been driving me mad.
And the amount of times no matter what you say they just respond “have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling?” 🤬
You’re on Internet. Many people are not native English speaker.
Secondly, people are saying this kind of shit litteraly since anciant Greece. You’re late to the party. They complained about it in each and every place of the western world at every time we have written records to read that shit. It’s seriously amazing how this trope is one of the most consistent of the history of mankind. And it doesn’t depend on the language obviously.
Iirc, even the Greeks bemoaned the written word because it harmed physical memory and made out brains weak because we could just consult tablets lazily instead of memorizing everything.
https://blogs.ubc.ca/etec540sept13/2013/09/29/socrates-writing-vs-memory/
Socrate said that apparently. Fortunately they weren’t all idiots so we now know that they would also say stupid things.
Yes. For years now. And I am horrified.
I am a teacher and I’ve had students who could not find the article about lions from the animal encyclopedia I handed to them. And when I helped them to find it, one started crying, one tried to read it (stopped after a minute or so) and one asked “Isn’t there some lion video we could watch instead?”. It was two pages with a lot of pictures. But it was too much for these 5th graders.
Reading proper books has become almost impossible to kids because their attention span is almost non-existent with written material.
We’ve tried to add more emphasis on basic reading skills in the early grades for some time now, but it seems to have very little effect.
Is this actually due to attention span, or are these children basically illiterate?
https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2019/08/22/whats-wrong-how-schools-teach-reading
Jesus. That theory is the one my professors talked about in university, as an example of “how to never teach anyone anything”.
Yes, I’ve been having trouble concentrating on reading, and understanding written text, ever since I started chemotherapy. They tell me the brain fog could last between four and ten years.
I’m also reading that some long COVID sufferers are having similar effects. I’ve managed to avoid COVID so far, hoping that I won’t get anything that makes the brain fog worse.
I think he was asking if you notice this happening more in general interactions with others, not in yourself. Can’t tell if this is a good example of what he’s talking about.
But why male models?