NSFW instance lemmynsfw - drawn NSFW content (updated)

PabloDiscobar

Beehaw was right to defederate many instances and so should we. Beehaw is crazy but not that crazy.

Defederate these instances, what are you so afraid of? Some people here are going full throttle on the freedom of blabla, don’t listen to them. Ban this stuff, do you really want Kbin to be known as “this network”? Do you want this reputation? I don’t. If you want more then register to another instance which accepts this stuff but don’t drag all our infrastructure with you.

Federating this content puts the servers of Ernest in danger.

edit: downvote me more, I take it as a badge of honor because I know who it’s coming from.

nude

I’ll just point out that I never suggested anyone defederate from anyone.
As a side point though, lots of places had already defederated from lemmynsfw.

I just want a NSFW instance that doesn’t cater to pseudo child porn

gh0stcassette

I mean, it seems like they back-pedaled on that (or were unclear initially and never intended to allow drawn CP), as long as it stays that way and they actually enforce it, I don’t see a need to de-federate

Alexmitter

Is this you u/spez on some mission to destroy the federated world before it had a chance to grow up?

borkcorkedforks

If that kind of content was allowed here I’d delete my account. No, one wants that kind of trouble.

PabloDiscobar

You wrote:

Guess other instances do not care regardless even if its correctly flagged and tagged and everything. I had a discussion about this topic with the mods of feddit.de, but they are firm to block whole instances if there is any NSFW community on it. No matter what. I am now on kbin and deleted my account there.

Why don’t you open an account on one of those instance instead of pushing it in our throats?

Alexmitter

No one wants to shove petite Asian ladies into your throat. Just don’t subscribe to those communities/magazines. That NSFW magazines appear in All is nothing but a technical issue.
Why the hell do you think having 5 accounts so you can subscribe to everything you want is acceptable.

gmtom

It’s always the fucking furries

Alexmitter

🤡

PabloDiscobar

Everyone will note that you never address the pedo data ending up hosted by Ernest if we don’t defederate. You never talk about that, it’s always about you, you you. Well sorry for you but you are not alone and there are real-life implications to hosting this content.

This pedo content has nothing to do on this server.

Just don’t subscribe to those communities/magazines.

No, YOU go out and get your illegal content from the source.

Alexmitter

No one here speaks about child pornography but you.

PabloDiscobar

Go run your own instance, you will be able to federate with whoever you want. Your instance = your responsibility.

Alexmitter

Again, no one is talking about child porn beside you. Everything lemmynsfw allows is legal in any jurisdiction. And everything it disallows like Loli and shota is clearly something no one wants to see here on kbin or lemmy even if it is legal in many parts of the world. The line is right there and lemmynsfw never challaned it.

PabloDiscobar

What you say is wrong and people already explained to you why, you did not answer them.

This is not a game. This is real life with real consequences.

Alexmitter

What you say is wrong and people already explained to you why, you did not answer them.

Again, only you talk about child porn. To again give you the exact rules layed out:

-     loli/shota are BANNED and not okay in any way.
-     IRL kids are BANNED OBVIOUSLY because no shit.
-     characters who are petite/young-looking but not obviously underage are ALLOWED because as an instance the votes decided that banning all of it was destructive, and differentiating between them can be impossible.

I kinda suspect you are 14, because everyone else would have understood by now that banning all petite/young-looking actors in porn would kick out large parts of Asian actors from the industry. Shit like school-class role-playing is about the most usual stuff in Straigt Pornography on this planet and teen looking actors are among the most popular world wide in straight pornography. I had to literally research that, Gay men are usually not as knowledgeable on straight porn.

Again, loli and shora, aka drawn depiction of children or children-looking characters are banned.

This is not a game. This is real life with real consequences.

Yep, and the consequence you took out for you is looking like a prude online for no reason at all, making a elephant out of a mosquito.

PabloDiscobar

This is really awkward to read. Keep this for yourself and stop talking to me.

PabloDiscobar

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HubertManne

I just want to say I agree with you. I actually do not like laws the limit drawn content personally. Drawing stuff, writing stories, poems, discussions around it. Fine. IRL. Fuck no. But im a free speech absolutist.

PabloDiscobar

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PabloDiscobar

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Otome-chan

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Otome-chan

I want kbin to be known as a network that is neutral and federates with all other instances, allowing users to decide what they wish to see. the second something is defederated/blocked, it becomes a slippery slope of crying to block this or that, and taking away power from the users.

BaconIsAVeg

I want kbin to be known as a network that is neutral and federates with all other instances, allowing users to decide what they wish to see.

There has to be a line though.

nuttydepressor

I saw this person defending exploding-heads (Nazi instance) earlier so I imagine the line looks much different for them than for you.

Otome-chan

IMO, unless it’s explicitly illegal, people should be free to share/say/discuss it. let people decide what they wish to see on their own and curate their own experience.

noodleneedles

I believe illustrated child porn is illegal here in Canada, as well as other countries (not going to google it though). Seems like it isn’t in the US? I find it kind of shocking that so many people don’t see an issue with it, tbh.

Otome-chan

loli/shota aren’t “illustrated child porn”.

HubertManne

Its not an issue for those you can seperate what they think is ok from what they think should be allowable due to peoples personal freedom. A drawing is a creation of an artist from some sort of media. When its created, no one gets hurt. When its consumed, no one gets hurt. Will I be a consumer. Nope but I also believe in legalization of prositution without planning to go to one. I was for marijuana legalization and have never used it. Rights are not just about what I think is fine.

Aeonx

I think each person should be allowed to choose what that line is for them, and not have that line chosen for them.

Disclaimer: I was a victim of child SA, I do not support or condone SA. But I DO support pedophiles who have never and will never act on their desires having a SAFE NONVIOLENT FICTIONAL outlet for their perverted fantasies, if anything so they don’t take that shit out on innocent children.

Otome-chan

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gh0stcassette

Eh, I get the principle, and we should definitely be less trigger-happy about defederating than beehaw, but if a server starts tolerating a bunch of drawn CP, we should probably just defederate. That being said, it seems like lemmynsfw is prohibiting it, so I say we keep federating with them unless it becomes clear they won’t actually enforce that rule.

No reason to cut ourselves off from half the nsfw communities on the fediverse unless we have to.

blahaj

That is wild, I made an account on there last night so I was curious to find the announcement post. Evidently lots of people are quite outraged. I also noticed as of a few minutes ago a clarification post has been made: https://lemmynsfw.com/post/29826

To quote:

I have so much respect for @yay@lemmynsfw.com but i can’t believe how poorly he wrote the update message, lol.

Here is what’s happening;

-     loli/shota are BANNED and not okay in any way.
-     IRL kids are BANNED OBVIOUSLY because no shit.
-     characters who are petite/young-looking but not obviously underage are ALLOWED because as an instance the votes decided that banning all of it was destructive, and differentiating between them can be impossible.

The line will continue to be up to the admins discretion, though we always appreciate input. And beyond this, individual communities can decide whether they want to outright ban all flat-chested etc. porn to be safe.

Any other clarifications necessary, just ask below. Thanks for reading. ~Restful

I’m not sure what to make of all this; it’s a bit iffy to me so I’ll be on the lookout for another NSFW related Lemmy community. There were a couple of folks in the comments of the original announcement post stating they’re gonna make their own instance so we’ll see how that pans out.

nude

The heading of the post is, and I quote

We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content

Maybe they minced words being non English as their first language.
I understand that, languages are tough.
That said, the fact that it isn’t a hard line on that shit is enough for the majority of people to want another instance.

I’m not trying to have them closed. I’m not fronting a resistance to have people not go there. As far as I’m concerned its “legal” and whatever, but at the end of the day the majority of people are not only not interested, but disgusted by that.

Being real here, if I’m looking at nude content, as lots of us do, there is some stuff I don’t want to see. Underaged content is on that list. I would safely assume that is on the list for many people.

The point of this thread is to warn other “normies” that the people running that instance are cool with this sort of thing, and ask if there is an alternative yet. lemmynsfw can and will do whatever they want. I’m fine with that, its not the point here. The point is warning others and asking for an alternative.

blahaj

I completely agree with your points. I alongside many others appreciate the heads up; for some reason `!lemmynsfw doesn’t show up on my local feed over there so I never would’ve seen the post if it weren’t for this thread.

Killakomodo

I mean the person that made the original post has responded to that post saying “im not a pedo 🫤🤷‍♂️ I thought loli meant for teen people like 18-25.”

Which to me does not track at all with what was said the first post, where they acknowledge that it’s drawings that appears to be of people underage. how do you talk about underage then say " I thought they meant 18 year old" does not really strike me as an “oopsi, I did not know”

nude

I don’t know how people can be arguing against a post that is literally titled

We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content

blahaj

Oh yikes, I didn’t even see that comment. The fact that user is making this “clarification”, and not the admin themselves concerns me. It reads like they’re just piggybacking off the user poster who decided to do their own interpretation. Like others have stated before, there really needs to be a hard line drawn otherwise that instance is going to see a lot of people leaving.

nude

My biggest concern coming from this is that the admins over there seem really, really out of their depth.

Again, they can and will do whatever they want to do, but in my personal opinion a large general NSFW instance needs to have people who know what they are doing at the helm or its going to be a disaster. I just hope no regular user gets caught up if/when shit hits the fan

IntendantTradwife

What a mess! I can’t tell if it’s backtracking because of backlash or actual clarification.

blahaj

The fact the post was made by a user and not the actual admin certainly contributes to this mess.

Otome-chan

loli/shota are BANNED and not okay in any way.

characters who are petite/young-looking are ALLOWED

These are contradictory statements. that’s literally what the words loli/shota mean.

Alexmitter

No expert on straight porn, but that would probably include lots of Asian adult porn actors.

LunaTheKitten1992

Yikes. As long as it’s not actual children it’s fine by me. They’re an NSFW server after all.

ironic_elk

Maybe a hot take, but I don’t mind as long as there are no victims and no one is actually hurt.

But I also won’t lose any sleep if the content is banned by communities that don’t want that (such as kbin.social if that happens to be the case).

Lenguador

I had to go find the thread being referenced, it’s here for anyone else who hasn’t seen it: https://kbin.social/m/lemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com/t/42348

I took the time to post my own thoughts in the thread, which I’ve reproduced here:

It seems a lot of people have very strong negative reactions to anything which is too close to children in pornography. I don't think that's an especially bad thing, but in my mind the only reason to be against minors in pornography is to protect those same minors from harm.

As an analogy, I find scat porn disgusting. But that doesn't mean it should be banned, as long as all parties are able to consent and no harm is done.

When it comes to non-child-coded drawings (though with childish proportions), I don't see the harm or lack of consent. And if that is the case, it doesn't matter what my personal feelings are about the content, it shouldn't be banned.

nude

Again, not here to discuss the nuance of drawn pictures of naked kids.
Not trying to shut down the instance.

I don’t care.

I’m just warning people who don’t like that shit, that is most people, that the instance owner is cool with that content so if you aren’t into it then probably look elsewhere.
A secondary point was asking if there are any alternatives yet.
I know there will be, I’m just wondering if there is

DarkThoughts

No, it’s highly misleading: https://kbin.social/m/lemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com/t/42695/READ-THIS-clarification-on-the-decision-and-poll-results

Allowed are fictional content of characters where it becomes hard to exactly tell if they’re adult or not. Not obvious underage stuff.

nude

The post title, direct quote

We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content

DarkThoughts

I see you did not even bother to read the clarification, nor the original question.

nude

No I did, and they said

We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content

Then they go on to say there is a difference between teen and child, and then backtrack and say “noooo we banned loli”, after posting a thread titled

We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content

edit:
And now the title of the post is

We’re (not) allowing non-IRL underage looking content

DarkThoughts

No, it says, and I quote the whole thing for you as you apparently lack reading comprehension, since your quote is literally not part of it:

I have so much respect for @yay but i can’t believe how poorly he wrote the update message, lol.

Here is what’s happening;

loli/shota are BANNED and not okay in any way.

IRL kids are BANNED OBVIOUSLY because no shit.

characters who are petite/young-looking but not obviously underage are ALLOWED because as an instance the votes decided that banning all of it was destructive, and differentiating between them can be impossible.

The line will continue to be up to the admins discretion, though we always appreciate input. And beyond this, individual communities can decide whether they want to outright ban all flat-chested etc. porn to be safe.

Any other clarifications necessary, just ask below. Thanks for reading. ~Restful

nude

Yes, the backtrack, which was posted after my initial thread, which is a 180 on what was originally posted, but also goes on to say that its impossible to differentiate if its flat chested content.

All this could have been solved by saying “18+ only”, but instead they want to dance the pedo line and come up with their own rules based on breast size and “anime skin tones” and all this other nonsense.

This thread isnt missleading, I posted what I saw. Then they backtracked almost. If people didnt post about it and say they were leaving there wouldnt have been a backtrack.

Otome-chan

saying loli is drawn child porn

:| loli does not refer to children. there are loli adults.

nude

You can apply whatever definition to loli that you want, whatever makes you feel best.

for the rest

of us though,

we dont really want to be associated with this shit

Killakomodo

The Pedos sure want to come out in full force don’t they, pure scum. No surprise 90% have anime pfps.

Otome-chan

citing a shitty dictionary doesn’t change the facts. loli does not refer to an age. no matter how much you wish to cry and try and say it does.

nude

Hey, if you go out of your way to find dictionaries that support your world view of naked pictures of kids thats up to you bud, more power to ya

Otome-chan

I don’t need a dictionary to know how to speak english. loli/shota are well understood words in the weeb community. they don’t refer to kids.

also, I don’t look at that kind of hentai lol. but notably: loli/shota do not refer to nsfw things. there is sfw loli/shota pics and nsfw ones.

I have a hunch you’re probably fine with actually illegal porn though while outcrying about this perfectly legal stuff.

nude

If you want to be daft about the situation, more power to ya bud.

Its clear in context what the implication of allowing that content is, being contrary isn’t going to change anything

Otome-chan

their ruling is independent of the fact that the words loli and shota do not refer to children. I went to go look for the announcement post (since it wasn’t linked) and it talks about content that isn’t necessarily synonymous with loli/shota. in the post they explicitly say that they aren’t allowing minors/children.

you’re throwing a fuss about adults.

nude

Post title

We’re allowing non-IRL underage looking content

I’m telling people who don’t want to see pics of naked kids that this particular instance is cool with that.

You’re defending that instance.

I’m not throwing a fuss bud

Otome-chan

I haven’t said my view on their ruling lol. Though it says in the post they ban underage content. so it’s all fine yeah?

my issue and reason for commenting is twofold:

defederation should not occur unless extreme circumstances (illegal content that will lead to kbin being shut down)
loli/shota do not refer to minors and it’s important to clarify that fact.

IMO it seems obvious to me that they’re talking about allowing adult loli/shota content. which is entirely legal and fine and has nothing to do with minors. I don’t see an issue with this.

gmtom

Shit like this is why I hide the fact I watch anime

tomve_cz

I’m hoping that they have server in ruSSia or they are running by FBI … otherwise they will knock down by interpol and every user will be screened

Otome-chan

or just somewhere sane like california?

Zaphodquixote

Man, the witchhunty FUD about that is sad

princessofcute

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NSFW instance lemmynsfw - drawn NSFW content (updated)

NSFW instance lemmynsfw - drawn NSFW content (updated)

We're not allowing non-IRL underage looking content - Lemmy NSFW

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