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Remember your local community is one of the most valuable resources. Get to know your neighbors, invest in your social capital.
I remember coming across post in a /r/collapse on reddit that poked fun at a lot of peoples plans. He stated he was in a war torn country and found a lot of plans revolve around personal survivorship instead of community based. And the immediate local community is the one that most people fall back on and the one that often times helps out the most.
potatoes can keep your ass alive and can dead ass be grown in buckets and sacks and basically anywhere tbh. Theyâre not picky plants, either. Just watch a couple YouTube videos to get your bearings, go buy a couple potatoes from the grocery store, and plant those bitches. Youâre probably going to want to try and get potatoes that havenât been treated to keep them from sprouting, or else give them a good scrub and let them sit on the windowsill till they start sprouting. You could also go and buy seed potatoes, but thatâs really not needed and itâs a higher up front cost. Plant them literally anywhere; heavy clay soil, shade, use whatever you have; potatoes have preferences but they donât really give that much of a fuck. Plant some french marigolds alongside for a good edible flower that will help control the pests that like munching on potatoes.
Learn to Forage this one takes some time, dedication, caution, and research, but you would be absolutely blown away just how much youâre surrounded by edible weeds and unrecognized fruit trees. Get in the habit of identifying the plants that you see (plant net is a helpful tool) around you, learning about them, and spotting them elsewhere as you go through life. See someoneâs fruit tree bearing fruit? I can just about promise that if you go and ask them nicely, they would be absolutely grateful for someone to take all that fruit away before it becomes a mess they have to clean up. Make sure you show your gratitude if thatâs the case, whatever that looks like for you; for me, itâd be leaving them some of the picked fruit or bringing some of the jam that I made from it.
Ditch the car if you can. Shitâs expensive, yo. Especially if you live in a city, a bicycle, e-bike, or motorcycle can do most of what you need out of a car most of the time if you get creative.
Skill up start learning the simple stuff- how to patch and darn tears in your clothes, how to cook on a budget (thereâs great depression cookbooks around that are pretty good), how to repair and service stuff, how to jam and can your leftovers, how to entertain yourself cheap with card and dice games or drawing, and a really huge underrated one is how to talk to other people. If youâre terrible at dealing with other people, get to fucking work on it yesterday and thank me later. I found the book Verbal Judo to be enormously helpful.
NETWORK bring small gifts to your neighbors when you can, share your good fortune with them, ask them how you can help, start getting involved in the lives of the people around you and get to know them. If you donât have some kind of regular meeting you go to with otherwise unrelated folks, find one. This is a way to build resilience, because thereâs going to be times where things arenât so rough for you, and times where things are extra rough. Thatâs true for everyone. If you have other people who can lean on you and you can lean on, we can all help smooth out each otherâs journeys through the downturn.
Donât be afraid to get ghetto. Do what youâve got to do. Summerâs hot, man, go ahead and put foil on cardboard and put that shit in your windows. Winterâs fucking cold; itâs easier and cheaper to heat small spaces than big spaces, just donât catch your shit on fire or give yourself CO poisoning (NO combustion indoors, that includes using a kitchen stove for heat! Make sure the heater is completely by itself on a non-flammable surface). You canât eat a lawn; fuck that grass, plant potatoes, onions, and marigolds. Will some people find it impossible to mind their own goddamn business? Certainly, but itâs a small price to pay for surviving. Need a coat? Go to Goodwill, go to a garage sale, shit, ask your neighbors if they have one they donât want anymore. Donât be above asking for help. Donât be a fucking thief, but keep your eyes open for opportunities; people throw all kinds of good shit away all the time, even during downturns. If something breaks, prioritize whether it needs to be fixed now, patched now, or if it just has to wait; if itâs just about keeping up appearances, it can wait.
Start prepping now set aside an emergency stash of:
Cash (my rule of thumb for rock bottom minimum is ~$100/person). This is cash for absolute emergencies, treat it as a non-renewable resource. I would say not to use it trying to stay in your mortgage even though you donât have a plan for the month after that.
Food: brown rice, dry beans, macaroni (whole grain is best), and bulk powdered potatoes will get you a long way. Learn to use these ingredients before you actually depend on them, and have a bulk supply on hand. Also, set aside some salt and pepper to keep you from completely losing your fucking mind. Each of these individual things can really help you stretch your meals or tie together a few other random ingredients into something edible. Theyâre not a complete nutrition source on their own, but theyâll just about keep your ass alive. Add to your food stash as you see fit, but try to keep it cheap, flexible, and durable.
Medicine: prescription and OTC. Needing Tylenol for your kids (or worse, Albuterol), or Imodium or ibuprofen for you, and not being able to get it is a super dog shit feeling. Iâd say set aside three times as much as you think you need for the stuff that they donât sell in bulk, and twice as much for the stuff they do sell in bulk.
Luxuries: if you like coffee, set aside a couple containers of it. It doesnât have to be great; Folgers will rock your fucking world once youâve been without coffee long enough. Same deal with chocolate, dehydrated fruit, or candy. Basically, give yourself something to look forward to once in a while.
This is hardly a comprehensive list, you know your own unique needs and situation better than I do, and thereâs going to be other better or worse advice for that here. Go with what fits for you.
I hate to say it, but things get worse than you think in a downturn. Lots of people get depressed and blame themselves for whatâs happening. Please remember that the way you feel isnât the way youâre always going to feel. Shit sucks, and everything is temporary.
Sigh, openinsulin.org really needs to make faster progress.
https://fourthievesvinegar.org/ If your forced to find a solution.
Good stuff, thanks. Tricky problem to solve, generally speaking đ
Yes I have a couple friends that canât live without it, so we have had convos. Itâs better to go to Walmart and get the very cheap stuff, but your going to die without itâŚ
Felt that I should add a few notes:
Storing a small supply of luxury items for trade or making friends may be a good idea. Donât set aside so much that you make yourself into a mark, just a small amount, maybe no more than a grocery bag full. Tobacco, booze, coffee, weed if itâs legal, and chocolate are all going to be big hits with a lot of folks, but you know your area better than I do and maybe youâd be better off having a special cheese stash or something. Use your best judgement. Get into this stash when you need a little something to make or sweeten a trade, or when youâd like to make nice with someone (pro-tip, give gifts with no expectations of reciprocity, but if itâs offered, donât refuse. Instead of refusing, try to see that it doesnât feel like the exchange of gifts wasnât completely square. Not so much that someone feels ripped off, but enough that the transaction doesnât feel complete. Itâs a narrow window to thread, and just accept the exchange graciously if you canât hit it).
If youâre worried about keeping your food garden low-key, thereâs a number of plants that can pass as ornamentals that, while not staple crops, will still feed you. Right out the gate, pumpkins are, imo, really able to walk the line between ornamental and food. Corn can go with pumpkins here if you can pull off the fall aesthetic. Going into less conventional food sources, you can put clover, chives, and spring onions into your front yard and they probably wonât be meaningfully distinguishable unless youâve got some HOA dorks up your ass. Thereâs also a number of clump grasses that will 100% pass as ornamentals but will also feed you. Look into the grasses that the native Americans depended on in your area; theyâre a little too region specific and too many to get into here, IME. Thereâs also a pretty good selection of trees and herbs that can be treated as ornamentals, but will also keep you fed. Blueberries spring to mind, in particular, as their foliage is very handsome imo.
Depending on where you are sweet potatoes are often grown as an ornamental vine but the tubers are literally what you eat. You can grow them in the ground or in pots (I recommend pots so itâs easier to harvest, ymmv). Tomatos, blueberries, herbs, sunflowers, and strawberries are probably pretty easy to get away with too as long as you keep them organized looking.
If you donât have an HOA and you live in its native range, central north america, the sunchoke is a crazy good source of food. Honestly too crazy, once you start growing it, itâll be there forever and itâll try to take over everything, but youâll have the food there buried waiting for you year round. You can also grow it in pots, just be careful with the tubers and the soil, they will seriously spread out of control.
Great advice! How did I forget sweet potato?! Iâve heard that all parts of the plant are edible as well, though Iâve yet to confirm it. Another salad green you can grow as an ornamental is nasturtium, but do so with caution, as Iâve read that it draws in pests.
As a teen we went through the collapse in the 80s when (in Canada) mortgage rates hit 21%. So Get your mortgage rate locked in now and donât have a renewel pending in the next 2 years.
For my family in the 80s it meant most income was going to the mortgage and we had to be very frugal. We ate a lot of potatoes and beans, no restaurants ever, and no extras. My dad also hunted, left over meats went into soups.
We are currently living frugally for reasons. We buy bulk dried chick peas, kidney beans, lentils (various kinds), frozen peas, rice. We stock up on potatoes , carrots, onions and canned tomatoes. With a large selection of spices and occasionally other ingredient we can make a wide variety of dishes. Weekly grocery shop is around $35-50.
I expect for those in the USA the luxury of lavish meals will need to become more like my frugal diet.
Drop extra servicesâŚdo you really need more than one streaming service, could you go without and scour the thrift store for BlueRay / DVDs , the libraries have free rentals of new releases.
Carpool. Barter between neighbours to exchange services.
Facebook groups and market place is great for this.
Always go there for first. And remember in order to make this work, got to buy AND sell.
Each second hand transaction denies the parasites profit!
Also check out https://buynothingproject.org
Craigslist also has a free section, we have given and received on there.
Yeah thats old school. Thatâs where I started try to get back into the trading original but it seems now Facebook is the place tho as much as I hate Faceberg :/
Network effects strike again
Yeah my wife uses Market Place, but for me their privacy policies and data gleaning steered me away. Craigslist is still big and busy where we are in the Vancouver area. Either way it good to connect locally.
We bought 6 Eggnog oat/ soy milk on sale from grocery store. Odd taste compared to other brands, rather than return my wife put it for free on Market Place, and some family came and got it. They were so happy since it was their favourite kind.
We found a 7 foot tree for free, a retired dude was having to leave his apartment to go into longterm care. We offered him cash for it, but he wouldnât take it. My wife took a cutting and propegated it for a while, then we dropped it off at his care home with a watering can so he can continue growing his tree. They keep in touch once in a while.
I think these moments got lost for a while with the technology boom, and people staying home being constantly entertained.
Yeah I am old enough to remember that world. Back in the day people in normal course of life were able to make social connections, now there is three fucking corpos in ever interaction and people donât have skills to socialize.
Donât go to Facebook first! We need to start normalizing ways to organize outside of those giant corpo-fascist sites.
I agree but thatâs where the market is at :/
Learn how to cook, go on some camping trips. Youâll learn a little bit of self-sufficiency and get a break from society.
Take care of your mental health. The first thing that breaks down in a disaster is usually your mental state.
Discuss your emergency plans with the people that you would be including in them. Know where youâre staying if you need to hunker down and know where youâre going if you need to leave.
At the end of the day if thereâs a full economic collapse thereâs not much you can do except survive and take care of yourself and those you love. A total economic collapse means your money wonât be worth anything, your investments will go to zero, and your best bartering chip is going to be food/water over a chunk of gold.
Skills are a good bartering chip. Things others canât do, or canât do to your abilities. A rare skill set or talent/ability will get you really far. But you have to advertise that ability. An engineer that can make a working electrical system out of car batteries and alternators will be worth more than a literal tonne of gold. Someone who can cut hair, valuable. The more you can help a community, the more accepting theyâll be of you. A biologist would be amazing.
âYep, thatâs hen of the woods, totally good to eat.â
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âI mean you COULD eat that, it wonât kill you, but youâll be seeing pink Floydâs musicâ
âNever heard of pink Floydâ
âDoesnât matter, youâll know it if you eat thatâ
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âIf you fucking so much as touch that, Iâm leaving, because youâll start projectile shitting your internal organsâ
Yeah, biologists will be super valuable.
Edit: I am not a biologist.
As another has said, strengthen your local ties. In the event of a collapse, weâre all going to be affected in one way or another. I think the biggest thing is fostering a culture of cooperation rather the competition. That means avoid prepping, avoid emptying store shelves, avoid hoarding goods en masse in your basement or shelter.
I think a good first step would be to look for local mutual aid groups. Just Google your town or state + âmutual aidâ. These groups are already out there directly servicing those most in need, and are the most ready to spring into action when a disaster strikes (here is some testimony about mutual aid group action during Hurricane Helene)
Oftentimes these groups are open to volunteers or donations and will be active during natural catastrophes, and Iâd imagine economic ones as well.
Save money and get to know your neighbors.
Trump probably wonât cause total collapse, so a basement full of beans is unlikely to be useful, but anyone relying on welfare or part of a minority group will need support. Savings will help with that, and could come in handy if you yourself get fired, either because of discrimination or economic recession.
Iâm old enough to have lived through several recessions, though I was poor for the first couple of them. I think a recession more likely than a collapse. If itâs a recession:
If you can keep your job you will be ok, really. Try to keep your job if you can. Yes even if they do temporary pay cuts.
If youâve been unable to buy a house, a recession may make it possible. That is how we got our first house - prices tanked, we got a run down house, couldnât improve it really but it was a place to live for a long time, and when you buy in a crash, taxes stay low here.
Remember there have been worse times and you are descended mostly from people who survived them.
Be nice to people. Always be nice on your way up, because what comes up must come down. We used to have to dumpster dive, and I have lived on the streets and in a car, donât want to again, at all, but there are plenty of less extreme tactics - live with more people in one house, we used to have one family in each bedroom, not one person, and that makes housing cost so much easier.
#1 is really the most important though - if you can keep a job you will be ok. If that falls through, do not think you are on your own, reach out to others and work together.
I donât think housing is going to come down in any meaningful way. Theyâll just be bought up by corporations automatically now when the price dips low enough
Itâs also not going to be easier to buy.
Banks are much more reluctant to loan, jobs are harder to keep.
I love this
IMO, there are three âlevelsâ of economic hardship:
The last time the US experienced the second level was the Great Depression, where during the depths of the dust bowl and the depression, unemployment hit about 25%
If you genuinely think we are in for anything worse than level 2, you should flee the country now, or buy a gun and stockpile ammunition, food, and medicine.
Realistically, level 3 isnât going to happen. Level 1 very likely will, level 2 I would give a 5% chance personally, but that is based only on vibes.
Have some savings in cash, a few hundred bucks mostly in small denominations should be alright. Donât do more than that.
Buy cheap bulk foods. Beans, chickpeas, lentils, raw oats, rice, four, potatoes. Buy several of those big 24 packs of bottled water. Most large retailers have them for 4-6 bucks a pack. You need A least 5-6 bottles a day to stay minimally hydrated. Thatâs roughly 4 days of water per 24-pack. You should have at least a week of water per person.
Other folks here have good advice. Connect with a local community. If not your direct neighbors, then a group that meets nearby. You need other people for support. If youâre in a really bad place, they will be the last line of dependable aid.
Quit your vices. Cigs, alcohol, excessive caffeine, and junk food all cost a lot of money, arenât healthy, and will make you much more vulnerable to economic upsets. It also allows others to take easier advantage of you, because of your desperation to get a fix.
Iâve been asking myself that question for years. My wife and I thought the best solution for us was to leave the country. We donât have a good outlook for the future of the US. We moved to Germany last spring and have been enjoying a healthier and better quality of life. Itâs not easy but it is very rewarding. The cost of living here is less than half of what we were paying in the US. Groceries, rent, utilities, insurance, everything is cheaper except eating out at restaurants (that costs pretty much the same). For what itâs worth, we moved from Denver to Frankfurt.
If you donât mind sharing, how difficult was/is the immigration process? Are there stipulations and things you have to pass?
As an American we had the standard 90 day visitor visa, which is basically just proven by showing the stamp you get on your passport when you enter Germany. I recommend applying for your next Visa immediately. Our wait time for an appointment was just short of 90 days. We did the language learning Visa which is good for up to one year and allows you to work up to 20 hours per week. They canât really track that if you have a remote foreign job, it just hinders you from getting full-time employment in Germany. If you go this route, you can find a job that will sponsor you for a work visa or you can apply for the new Opportunity/Chance Card (Chancenkarte) which is up to a year long âjob seeker visaâ. If you have an accredited degree then you are eligible, otherwise there is a point system for things like language, age, finances, etc. The Chance Card wait time is pretty long so keep that in mind when planning.
The non-working visas also require you to have âŹ992 per month in a âblocked accountâ that will be disbursed to you each month for living expenses. If you arenât working, youâll need private health insurance. Ours is âŹ50 per person per month and is far better than the Kaiser Permanente insurance that we paid $550 a month for in the US.
As a German, Iâm happy it worked out so well for you! Glad to have you in our country, itâs not perfect but weâre trying!
Vielen Dank! We really enjoy living here and we are working hard to settle here permanently.
I think Italy authorized a remote worker visa that sounded pretty flexible. Last I checked the process for actually getting the visa was not yet in place, but it has been a few years since I checked
My condolences for moving to Crackfurt.
Haha. I read that a lot, but itâs honestly not so bad as long as you stay away from the Hauptbahnhof. That area is truly awful.
Get to know your neighbors.
The network is one of the most important parts of a survival scenario.
Personally, I have met people through food not bombs that I found interesting and dedicated to a better future.
Dried beans and rice go a long way towards feeding yourself and family if food becomes a scarcity. Store in airtight containers, with an inert gas, so that what you do have does not become rancid.
A human can survive for weeks without food but only days without water. If youâre stockpiling.
Become proficient with firearms. This involves practice, and ownership.
It is almost always better to hunker down than to bug out.
Easiest access to the âinert gasâ piece is dry ice from your local grocery store. CO2 is heavier than air. Wrap some in a tea towel and put it in the bottom of the bucket before adding the food. Then place the lid on but do not close. Keep in a place without significant air movement while the dry ice sublimates, pushing out the lighter gasses, before sealing the lid. This takes a few hours.
Times and amounts are purposely vague, as I donât remember them, but it should be easy to look up. If not, err on the side of too much and too long - the extra gas will just seep out the top.
Another way to remove oxygen from stored food to prevent rancidity is to make your own oxygen absorbers (rancidity is caused by oxygen oxidizing fats and other flavor compounds)
Which are literally just iron filings mixed with table salt in a gas permeable packet (coffee filter paper works great)
The salt is hygroscopic (absorbs water) and water + oxygen + iron turns into rust, which sequesters the oxygen
I make my own and put them in opened packages of nuts and seeds :]
My neighbors are all fascists, judging by the flags they have flappinâ in their front yards
3%ers? Proud Boys? AfD? National Front?
Damn, I guess Iâm lucky. Here is at least +50 Harris, someone wearing a nazi armband and doing a salute will get their ass beaten, and nobody would report it.
Every time I get to know my neighbors, things are going well and then they suddenly drop something wildly transphobic, homophobic, or ableist. The last one was especially horrifying back when people were still talking about COVIDâ âbut it only affects old/disabled people!ââ pretty much saying to your face that theyâre cool if you die.Relying on other people in a survival scenario seems incredibly irresponsible. Itâs America. Your neighbors want you dead.ETA yknow what this is cynical and unproductive. Just do your best to protect yourself but if you belong to a vulnerable group you already know that. People arenât inherently evil and I need to log off when Iâm upset.
Not all parts of America, my area is at least +50 Harris, someone being an open nazi walking around waving swasticas or doing the salute here will get their ass beaten.
Itâs not even universally true in red states, unless you want to believe Iâm the Super Special Exception. I was thinking of my own failed attempts to reach out recently and got bitter and started saying shit.
A lot of good advice on this thread, particularly the emphasis on social connections and food. Given OP asked to assume near or total economic collapse though:
Some people advocated building up money savings. If you are convinced there will be runaway inflation (part of what I assume is meant by collapse) then this is exactly wrong. The thing to do would be to convert as much money as possible into durable goods while the money still has any value. Look into the history of prior examples like the collapse of the deutsche mark in 1922, and the rush on payday to buy necessities immediately.
Gold is also being suggested. If your threat model includes social collapse gold wonât do you much good. Gold has financial value but no use value for individuals (it is useful industrially, but not in a way you can take advantage of). Unless youâre planning to run, bulkier but more immediately useful goods like food and tools are likely to hold more value. When everyoneâs starving, a baseball bat to guard it with is worth more than a lump of shiny but useless metal.
If you arenât assuming social collapse, foreign currency is another option. Be careful, because you want to pick one that is not likely to track your local currency and fall together. The advantage here is that when your local currency stabilizes, the value of gold will drop quickly and it will be very hard to guess exactly the right time to cash out. Foreign currencies wonât have that same crash effect.
All that said, donât jump into action out of panic. Take time to think it through calmly - collapse is probably not coming in the next week or two. The actions that will save you financially in a collapse can destroy you if that collapse doesnât come. Make a plan for what to do if youâre wrong to avoid shooting yourself in the foot (or, as many people do after that kind of mistake, the head).
Do any vehicle maintenance you can now. Look up common issues for your vehicle and maybe buy those parts as they might be extra expensive due to tarrifs. If you need to you can sell them later.
Secondary used markets are going to be huge, so set aside anything you think people will want in the future. Buy an ebike just in case driving becomes too expensive. Download as much media as you think youll want because theyre trying to ban piracy sites and free options may dissapear.
The free options will still be there. Banning a few pirate sites will make it less convenient for streamers, but bittorrent isnât dependent on those sites and tools like Tribler can find them straight off the DHT.
Weâll see hopefully they have to play whackamole and keep having to go to court and waste their time.
Local libraries are a great way to substitute your entertainment budget for something more affordable. Whatâs more, if you volunteer and help out youâll make a whole lot of connections who can help you back.
libraries need human rights supporters to just show up and normalize the room as often as possible so badly right now.
Just being there and looking proPOC and proTrans makes the space more accessible to everyone, except the people who are frustrated by inclusive community practice flouting their desire to hunt and torture for sport.
Find books written about farming/saving during ww2. Get a freezer and a canner. Stock up on beans/rice/etc (long shelf life foods). Save bones from meat, boil them for 6 hours, then let fool and strain them. Can/freeze the broth (I put mine in quart freezer bags flattened out in the freezer). One quart added to 1qt water is filled with nutes for soups and such. If you have a fireplace, keep a bag of dryer lint for kindling. Buy heirloom seeds, learn how to save seeds (Whenever I grow green beans I always have 100+ dried pods in autumn as I usually only have enough to harvest 2x with any real quantity. Each dried pod has at least 4 beans). Buy things you need now that tariffs will affect the most (electronics, coffee, etc.) Start learning how to fix things yourself, get basic tools (drill, hammers, driver sets, wrenches, etc). Fix car problems now, before parts go up. If you know ANYONE still alive now from the 30s to 40s, pick their brains on what they did. Also, get books on identifying plants. Sorrel is awesome to add to food for flavor, dandelions are a good source of Vit C⌠my knowledge is limited, but so far thatâs what Iâve tried (do NOT eat roots of dandelion).
Buy gold, keep cash on a safe at home, make sure all documents are current and arenât about to expire (in case you need to quickly leave the country). Prioritize essential purchases over luxury ones and if short on cash pay those over debt payments
What do you want to do with gold or USD if the us economy collapses? This isnât the middle Ages where you can pay the peasants with gold or silver coins. In an economic collapse canned food, fuel, etc. will be useful. Something people need every day and can be swapped in small quantities.
Gold because regardless of the US economy, gold will still be something worth trading, it is also easier to carry than necessities and can be used as improvised currency with a more stable value over basic necessities. For basic goods, you have to always watch out sine you A. Use them yourself, and B. Everyone needs them but may not give them the same value necessarily.
But who wants to trade gold with you if everyone is hungry, has no water or power, is freezing or sick? Gold and valuables are only good of you know the economy gets back to normal, or you have someone who will trade useful stuff for gold.
Also, I donât think the average person has a concept how much gold is worth, or how to check if it is real or not.
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