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Im Australian aboriginal and it was the Nazis.
The world didnt come together to stop the British.
The Nazis.
And by a lot.
I am German and believe me the Nazis were worse.
I’m conflicted about this response because my understanding is that in Germany anything to do with Nazis is highly taboo (understandably), but I wonder if that results in an immediate bias. Not complaining, Nazism is evil, but in your shoes I think I’d be inclined to weight nazis inherently worse as well.
depends what you mean with “taboo”.
being a neo-nazi? generally heavily frowned upon. use certain nazi imagery and/or deny that the holocaust happened? both actually punishable by law.
taboo as in we don’t talk about it? hell no! we get taught about the cruelties that happened here at length in school above a certain age. let me tell you, history class in germany is not fun. in certain german states there’s also one mandatory(?) school trip to the remains of one of the nearest concentration camps. trust me, we know about the absolutely inhumane cruelty these monsters were capable of.
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one of the images that stuck most with me was of a documentary shown in school. pictures of one of the gas chambers, where they shoved in by the hundreds. the concrete ceiling had fingernail imprints. the implications of that alone are haunting. they must have had absolutely agonizing last minutes in there.
…or some punishment cells in concentration camps. just tight gaps, enough to shove someone in sideways. and not tall enough to be able to stand upright in. the person inside could not get relief from standing up, they could not sit down. all they could do was exist in a painful position with the knees against one wall, the butt against the other wall, and gravity doing the rest to cause relentless pressure on the knees. as far as I know they got put in there for days, with eye witnesses describing constant screams of agony from inside.
…or the one time hitler decided to hang some people. but not with a regular rope, but rather on piano strings, with the victims being lowered very slowly into their final position. once hanging, there was no way for the victim to grab the string anymore. all they could do was flail around and slowly suffocate. it was just another sadistic way of maximizing pain, agony and despair in the people they hated and hunted.
and these are just a tiny fraction of the documented things. i don’t even want to imagine what atrocities without witnesses happened.
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Brazilian here: I think that part of what makes these regimes to be as bad as they were is the legacy that they left. Not only did they cause alot of suffering with their violence and brutality, but also had their ideology impregnated in our society in the form of poverty, racism and conflicts that are still perpetuated to this day.
So, to me, both were as shitty as they could be in their own way, and reminds us how we humans can be consistently evil and cowards as a collective or nation.
But with effort and courage, one day we may see these ideologies disappear once and for all, and make them nothing but history.
the British because they had the time. the Nazis did want to basically exterminate most of the world, so it’s a toss-up.
Yeah, it depends on the criteria. The Nazis were only around for a few years, whereas the British did their thing for centuries. The Nazis were a rookie prodigy who retired after a single red-hot season, the British were a multi-season MVP with way more points on the board.
I think the other part is as Colonials, the British ultimately have given their colonies back, and most.of the colonies are in a reletively decent condition, especially when you conpare it to french colonies for example, like Haiti, which went into perpetual debt, and many west African nations which are relevant today due to the uprising.
But then we get into questions of intent and deaths/time. British definitely had more time and I’m pretty sure they had more deaths, though I don’t know the exact numbers. It seems British intent fluctuated based on timeframe and region
This seems like the right approach. You can get different answers depending on which measure you use
You could compare
1.Willful killings in total
willful killings per year
willful killings during the 1920s-40s
willful killings during Churchill’s regime versus Hitler’s regime.
I guess the UK will have higher numbers by every measure except 1. The figures should be easy to find.
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