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I’m reminded of a joke I heard a long time ago (copy/pasted from elsewhere online)

The American Government funded a study to see why the head of a man’s Penis was larger than the shaft. After 1 year, and $180,000, they concluded that the reason that the head was larger than the shaft was to give the man more pleasure during sex.

After the US published the study, the French decided to do their own study. After $250,000 and 3 years of research, they concluded that the reason the head was larger than the shaft was to give the woman more pleasure during sex.

The Irish, unsatisfied with those findings, conducted their own study. After 2 weeks, a cost of around $75.34, and many pints of beer, they concluded that it was to keep a man’s hand from flying off and hitting himself in the face.

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Bravo. Had not heard that one before.

It makes me feel uncomfortable that someone would actually believe something so fuckin stupid

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so you just found some crazy study online by some academic kooks and, rather than apply an ounce of critical thought, you just believed it.

smh

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Interestingly, the main author is respected

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_G._Gallup

Edit: not saying I buy the premise of the article though

Edit 2: every reply from the above commenter gets 5 upvotes in 2 minutes, while all my comments get 5 downvotes in 2 minutes… nice job being subtle lol

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that doesn’t really mean much with regard to the validity of the study, though

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I can’t open the link, it’s not loading for me for reasons unknown. So I’ll take the title at face value, and say that as a theory or hypothesis it sounds plausible. Penile adaptations to outcompete other males isn’t unheard of, the most well known example is canine knots.

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Again, that’s not what my point is. I’m just disputing the characterization you made

Edit: every reply from the above commenter gets 5 upvotes in 2 minutes, while all my comments get 5 downvotes in 2 minutes… nice job being subtle

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I’m just disputing the characterization you made

how does opining on one of the author’s reputability have to do with the integrity of the study or its findings? that’s like saying Teslas are good cars because you happen to like Elon Musk.

The comment called the authors “kooks.” I am disputing that characterization. As you say, this has nothing to do with the study.

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I apologize if my comment was not clear. You’re correct, just posting a link is not sufficient. However, the lead author, Gordon Gallup Jr, created the mirror test (see https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/mirror-test#:~:text=A concept of self has,differentiate themselves from other individuals.)

His work is pretty vital in our understanding or primate cognition. See his recent paper for an update: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2019-57425-001

A quick google search gives look as: “a crazy or eccentric person.” He probably is quite eccentric, but I’d say “crazy” is a bit much. Merrimack Webster uses “one whose ideas or actions are eccentric, fantastic, or insane.” Feel free to share why you specifically think his writing demonstrates insanity

Edit: 5 downvotes in 2 minutes again, to nobody’s surprise

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so, after citing other works which have no bearing whatsoever on this one, you agree that he’s kooky.

are you trolling for any particular reason or just because you’re bored?

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I’m sorry, as I’ve stated from the beginning, this work is most likely not accurate. However, I don’t think exploring odd theories makes someone a “kook,” no. He’s a scientist exploring and publishing a review of the research.

Again, your comment stated that the authors are kooks. I stated the lead author is quite respected and then provided evidence backing my comment. Again, if you have specific evidence or quotes as to why you think this man is crazy, I’m all ears.

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Again, your comment stated that the authors are kooks.

Again, if you have specific evidence or quotes as to why you think this man is crazy, I’m all ears.

ah, I’ve identified the problem-- either you’re illiterate, or you think I’m stupid enough to be distracted by your obvious trolling to notice you’re trying to put words in my mouth.

enough with the Sealioning

Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity (“I’m just trying to have a debate”), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter. It may take the form of “incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate”, and has been likened to a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings. The term originated with a 2014 strip of the webcomic Wondermark by David Malki, which The Independent called “the most apt description of Twitter you’ll ever see”.

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so you just found some crazy study online by some academic kooks and, rather than apply an ounce of critical thought, you just believed it.

My apologies again. What does “academic kooks” mean to you?

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moe Sealioning

Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity (“I’m just trying to have a debate”), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter. It may take the form of “incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate”, and has been likened to a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings. The term originated with a 2014 strip of the webcomic Wondermark by David Malki, which The Independent called “the most apt description of Twitter you’ll ever see”.

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I really do apologize that I came across that way. I want you to know that I’m not some shill. I was being genuine and I really tried to back that up. Ig it’s just another misunderstanding on social media. I hope you have a good day though

Edit: odd how I had no downvotes and then I come here 5 minutes after the reply comment and I have 5 downvotes and the reply has 5 upvotes…

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Please stop discussing upvotes and downvotes. Your last three comments have included references and it’s repetitive. If it bothers you, why not join an instance that doesn’t use downvotes?

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This person is stalking me across all my posts. Idk what to do other than bitch about it. Everything, no matter how innocuous, got to -5 within minutes. Your comment isn’t really helping. Someone is literally being a creep and stalking me and all you have to offer is “maybe you should leave”? Thanks, victim blaming is always so helpful.

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Dude. Karma isn’t a big deal on Lemmy. If you don’t like downvotes, use an instance that doesn’t use them. This community is for discussing questions, not using Lemmy. Next comment about this will be a community ban.

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Sorry, didn’t mean to break any rules. It just hurts that any helpful reply I give on a thread is immediately buried. I will not mention it again. This is not sarcasm, but I know it might sound that way-Thanks for all your time spent helping to grow Lemmy

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Try one of the support communites for more info on this.

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curious as to why you left all the trolly comments and removed the comments from the person being trolled?

edit: they clearly are seasoning:

Sealioning refers to the disingenuous action by a commenter of making an ostensible effort to engage in sincere and serious civil debate, usually by asking persistent questions of the other commenter. These questions are phrased in a way that may come off as an effort to learn and engage with the subject at hand, but are really intended to erode the goodwill of the person to whom they are replying, to get them to appear impatient or to lash out, and therefore come off as unreasonable.

as a mod, if you’re looking to foster communities for open discussion rather than a place that will become toxic, punishing people for being targets of trolls while leaving trolls alone isn’t the way to go.

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I don’t get how I did anything close to sealioning lol. I made a point with sources and asked for an explanation as to why someone disagreed with me

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I read through the thread a few times and while at first glance, it looked like one person was trolling, my conclusion in the end was that it was actually the other person. That’s why I deleted those posts.

I seriously considered removing the entire thread but my thought was that it would remove transparency. I’m not always going to get this right but I’ll do my best and listen to the follow-up comments.

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i read through it, too. it’s pretty textbook sealiong, and I don’t see how you don’t see that. as for transparency, that’s what the modlog is for.

if your stance is to punish the victim, I’ll know to see clear of this community myself. since fostering a toxic atmosphere is your goal, this isn’t a community I want to be a part of

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I’m confused as to how we got from “I reviewed the whole thread and tried to make a fair call that protects the users in the community” to “if your stance is to punish the victim and foster a toxic atmosphere”. I’m here to help, so please take me at face value.

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you know exactly what you’re doing, and it’s no misunderstanding. you’re intentionally trolling. if you have any genuine intentions, you’ll simply stop. by replying to this comment, you confirm that you’re trolling.

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lol, who told you that?

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lmao, this is a theory, and this study hasn’t only not been peer-reviewed, it doesn’t seem to have gained much of any traction in the academic community in the last 20 years.

if I paid 600 college students to fuck each other, yeah, I’m going to find that one penis is going to squish out the cum from the last penis, but that doesn’t prove that it evolved specifically for that purpose. isn’t simple displacement, and a task that could be as easily performed by a dildo or fist or anything else that you shoved into the jizz-filled cavity.

don’t believe everything you find on google.

Your comment hasn’t been peer reviewed, so I’m gonna take your advice and not believe you.

this study hasn’t only not been peer-reviewed

https://journals.sagepub.com/author-instructions/EVP

  1. Open Access

Evolutionary Psychology is an open access, peer-reviewed journal. Each article accepted by peer review is made freely available online immediately upon publication, is published under a Creative Commons license and will be hosted online in perpetuity

[…]

4.1 Peer review policy

Following a preliminary triage to eliminate submissions unsuitable for Evolutionary Psychology all papers are sent out for review.

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A theory is the most solid thing science can produce. What you’re wanting to say is hypothesis. Also, OP should provide the relevant section of the original review by Baker and Bellis 1995

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What you’re wanting…

it always amuses me when random strangers on the internet believe that they can read my mind and know what I want.

i said “theory” because that’s what I meant, and it has more that the one definition you gave.

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ITT: a lot of “either/or”

I’m not sure that evolution cares one wit about any of our theories. If it means I’m the dad and I’m the dad more often… then it will be favored.

If I enjoy it more, she enjoys it more or it means that my sperm have increased likelihood of winning… that’s all that matters.

And when I say “or” above, it can include any of those things. It need not be exclusive.

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It feels like bullshit. Didn’t MythBusters debunk this?

A scoop is a scoop.

I think you’re confusung dragonflies with people. We are not dragonflies.

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