Replacing the entire moderation team of 5000+ subs is not a practical solution and Reddit admins know it - RedditMigration to the "Threadiverse" - kbin.social
kbin.social
external-link
Which is why /u/jailbaitlover I mean /u/spez is sending the message that they would gladly give total power to whatever mod crosses the picket line so they can boot the rest....

Which is why /u/jailbaitlover I mean /u/spez is sending the message that they would gladly give total power to whatever mod crosses the picket line so they can boot the rest.

If Reddit had to replace all these mods it would be complete chaos and is not much better than the blackout. They will see the same exact problems Twitter has seen since they fired most of their content moderators.

athos77
link
fedilink
162Y

I think what this entire debacle has revealed is how incredibly unfit Huffman is to be involved in running a major site, much less one with as much reach as reddit.

I’ve read most of his comments and it’s all centered around “reddit can’t afford to keep paying everyone’s API fees while everyone else makes bank”. Which is fair enough.

But it also reads like a CEO who simply hasn’t been paying attention to much of anything and who woke up one morning to realize that they’d already handed away the company’s most valuable assets by letting Google and ChatGPT and other LLM companies harvest everything they need to build their products while reddit happily and blithely pays the bills. And now that other companies are starting to look profitable by building off what reddit paid to give away, Hoffman is both massively jealous and panicking, desperately trying to put the genie back in the bottle. Only instead of going through every company that uses the API, figuring out how much they use and what they use it for and how necessary that use is for reddit’s business, it looks like he panicked and tried to charge everyone the same rate. He didn’t do any research into the issue and realize that Google harvests massive amounts of data that it uses in it’s search results and to improve and program it’s products and makes massive amounts of money, vs small apps that run basic queries that massively improve the reddit experience and that don’t make much money at all. He just wants to charge everyone the same amount and keeps demanding that small apps pay the same as Google, because he’s pissed he wasn’t paying enough attention to notice what was going on.

And he’s scared shirtless because he’s had an easy run of reddit CEO, and now people are asking questions about his lack of vision and he’s afraid that no one will ever give him such an easy and lucrative job ever again. And $10 million in the bank plus whatever stock options he has may look like a lot of money to us peons, it really isn’t among the people he wants to keep hanging around with.

The one thing he’s doing half-smart is the spin game. That’s what that AMA was about, not to engage with the community, but to put out a dozen or so pre-written quotes that reddit could point to in interviews and say “look, here, this is what’s really going on, and we’ve tried.”

In the end, I think Huffman’s massive failings can be summarized in his comment that “[reddit will] continue to be profit-driven until profits arrive” - as if the arrival of profits is inevitable and no one needs to do anything to ensure their safe journey. Which seems to summarize his period as CEO: just coast along like normal and surely some profits will arrive - and then panic when the profits start arriving for companies with CEOs who do they job and attention to their business.

zcd
link
fedilink
162Y

Why go through all that effort when you can just replace one CEO?

motie
link
fedilink
52Y

I doubt that it is just the CEO. With an IPO coming up, all the stakeholders and the board and the senior leadership are poised to make a shit ton of money. This whole thing is designed to make the company more attractive to investors so they are all on board.

FlowVoid
link
fedilink
12Y

Make a ton of money, or depending on how things go, lose a ton of money.

Joe
link
fedilink
42Y

Pretty sure spez is making a ton of money at this point. He’s been working on Reddit for like 15 years and ,while I’m sure he’s managed to earn a nice paycheck for some of those years, he’s finally in reach of a big payout

I expect he will (because I’d do the same) sell his shares ASAP and disappear from public life

Nougat
link
fedilink
32Y

Executive compensation is often largely in company stock. There’s your incentive to stick around and fuck everyone in their peeholes for increased shareholder value your own personal benefit.

So, in other words, CEOs are just third-party sounding enthusiasts. I think I’ll refer to them that way from now on.

CEO stands for Cock Excavation Operator.

Or your incentive to IPO so you can get stock. Reddit doesn’t have any yet and Huffman’s getting huffy over it.

PoopingCough
link
fedilink
12Y

Insiders typically don’t lose money even if a company tanks after ipo. The ipo is a set price and it’s pretty common for insiders/other shareholders to dump their bags at that price while people biying at the ipo get fucked.

FlowVoid
link
fedilink
12Y

People keeping an eye on recent events at Reddit might be reconsidering that set price…

yunggwailo
link
fedilink
102Y

This is why ive been saying the mods need to force the admins to remove them from the start. It would totally hamstring reddit

JC Denton
link
fedilink
92Y

It’s beyond my understanding why someone would moderate a subreddit for free for a for-profit organization.

I thought moderators were paid or something. It’s literally working for free. I don’t get it.

Nougat
link
fedilink
122Y

Two reasons:

  • The desire to shepherd a vibrant community of people around a subject that is important to you
  • Dick swinging
roofuskit
creator
link
fedilink
52Y

Replacing a lot of mods at once is going to result in a lot more of the latter and eliminate a lot of the former.

lanbanger
link
fedilink
32Y

Third and most likely reason: you got involved in the early days with something that was really small, but mushroomed to become something really big.

Nougat
link
fedilink
32Y

I would classify that as a subset of my first bullet point, but it’s not an unreasonable distinction.

DaGuys470
link
fedilink
72Y

It’s volunteer work, which some people enjoy. Much like being a volunteer firefighter or member of a local club. I have modded across Discord, Twitch and also Reddit (for a short amount of time) and there is a certain joy it brings you. You get to care for a forum in which people like you discuss your favorite topics. You get to keep your own community clean and happy. And having that power and responsibility does give one a lot of joy. Think about it like it’s parenting. Nobody is gonna pay you for having kids (in fact you’re gonna lose a bunch of money), but when they succeed in life it makes you extremely happy.

I used to be a volunteer moderator for a non-reddit site. I did it because I liked the place and wanted to keep the asshattery down to a dull roar so the people who weren’t shitposting would stick around.

AnalogyAddict
link
fedilink
2
edit-2
2Y

I did it, albeit a very small community. I cared enough about the topic to give other people dealing with similar things some space to build a community. Mine was luckily mostly dead, since I don’t care about building a base or keeping it going, but it served well for its time. Anyone who thinks modding is anything but a labor of love doesn’t make for a very good mod.

iAmTheTot
link
fedilink
12Y

They care about the topic; or they like the feeling of being in charge of thousands of people; or both.

They’re not gonna replace all of them at once. Some admins will get assigned to work their way down the list (ranked by subscribers probably) and while this is going on I predict a lot of smaller subs are gonna falter resolving it.

People are already making separate subs so smaller ones might eventually get replaced.

They’re not gonna replace all of them at once

At this point it’d be interesting if all the moderation teams resigned at once, especially for the top hundred or so subs that want to remain private.

would be interesting to see. just open up and stop modding, except once every 24 hours or so. just say you’re busy IRL lol

roofuskit
creator
link
fedilink
52Y

There’s a difference between putting a new body in and putting a quality moderator in who’s doing it because that’s what they want to be doing.

There are always power hungry people out there ready and willing to fill the roles. All they have to do is open the gates and let people apply.

roofuskit
creator
link
fedilink
172Y

Having bodies is not the same as having dedicated moderators. Moderating a public web forum is a thankless and time consuming task full of frustrations. Putting the wrong people in that position is a recipe for disaster.

panoptic
link
fedilink
72Y

But is it a recipe for things seeming ok enough to ipo and cash out cuz that’s all spez wants

Genuinely curious because I have no experience with modding: would it seem okay if a bunch of incapable people who don’t know how to moderate a very large sub got in there as mods? How long would it take for things to completely fall apart? (I guess - how long before it wouldn’t seem okay?)

deaconblue
link
fedilink
22Y

Maybe they could build a bot to do it. It wouldn’t work but it might be funny to watch.

roofuskit
creator
link
fedilink
1
edit-2
2Y

Putting a body in place of a dedicated admin who chose to do the job for years is not a replacement. Not to mention reducing the number of mods comes with its own problems.

Tracking the lastest news and numbers about the #RedditMigration to open, Fediverse-based alternatives, including #Kbin and #Lemmy To see latest reeddit blackout info, see here: https://reddark.untone.uk/

  • 0 users online
  • 1 user / day
  • 17 users / week
  • 102 users / month
  • 3.27K users / 6 months
  • 1 subscriber
  • 552 Posts
  • 8.76K Comments
  • Modlog
  • mods: