If I ignore/block them, it allows them to continue unchallenged. I hate getting into it with them, since they are a baseline idiot.
I guess that’s it. I saw a person with a 6 month account spouting garbage, was gonna block but thought perhaps that wasn’t morally responsible. Wondering what the options were.
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i find this very satisfying: gently disagreeing with them via a short single positive message like “gay people do deserve respect”, then letting them throw a very lengthy, time-invested tantrum before gently and completely disagreeing with their comment with another short sentence, over and over until they get tired.
i find that both very funny and I’m putting out positive messages that negate their bigotry without too much time or effort.
that’s just if you have the time and inclination to engage, you aren’t morally obligated to subject yourself to abusive behavior.
if it’s real bad, they’re probably violating a rule, and reporting them will get them banned
Ooo, that’s good.
I’m going to post this idea by agent_nycto, because it’s another good way to deal with them, especially if you run into them IRL:
I don’t think you should be quiet, it makes them feel like everyone is agreeing with them and makes everyone miserable. Time to introduce you to my favorite game to play with conservatives, Politics Judo!
So you hear them rant about a thing. Some dumbass talking point. Let’s use gun control. It’s pretty easy to know in advance what the talking points are since they never shut up and parrot the same problem and solution over and over. “Shouldn’t take guns, it’s a mental problem not a gun problem”.
Things are basically boiled down to a problem and a solution. A lot of people try to convince people that the problem isn’t what people think it is, and that’s hard to do. Even if they are just misinformed, it feels like trying to dismiss their fears.
So what you do is you agree with the problem, then use lefty talking points as the solution.
“Oh yeah, gun violence is pretty bad! And I love the Constitution, we shouldn’t mess with that!” (Use small words and also throw in some patriotism, makes them feel like you’re on their side. You want to sound like a right wing media con artist) “so instead of taking guns away, we should instead start having more, free, mental health care in this country. Since it’s a mental health problem and these people are crazy, that is the solution that makes the most sense!” (Don’t try to get them to agree to your solution, just state it as the obvious one)
It becomes weaponized cognitive dissonance. Their brains fry because you said the things you should to agree with them, flagged yourself as an ally, but then said the thing they were told is the bad and shouldn’t want.
If they try to argue with your solution, rinse and repeat to a different talking point. “Oh yeah it might cost more, and we shouldn’t have to pay more for it, so we should get the rich people who are screwing average hard working Americans over by not paying taxes to do that. We should shut down tax loopholes and increase funding to the IRS so they can go after them instead of the little guy”
Always sound like you’re agreeing with them, but giving solutions that they disagree with that seem to be off topic but are related.
A good thing about this approach is you’re not wasting your time (much). It doesn’t matter if they’re trolling for attention or entertainment if you remain passive/neutral and give them so little to work with.
Imagine instead giving them an originally-written 200 word argument and then they just reply “didnt read” - wasted your time on a bad faith prank. (that said - perhaps your audience isn’t the troll, but rather, the lurkers. I would only consider putting in effort if the comment isn’t being downvoted to the bottom holding an anchor)
Did you report this person? Racists are usually quickly dispensed with, because if they’re allowed to continue unchallenged then this will become a Nazi bar.
For sure, it’s great to be in communities like ours and theirs where staff actually boot them all out, and it’s also useful to know tactics for treating those people if they’re in places which idealistically believe in free speech more than saving lives and stuff. Luckily I can’t think of any active instances which don’t have basic anti-bigotry rules, but it’s entirely possible for one to federate and not earn a full-instance ban, at least from the more liberal instances. I don’t think it’s enough to say ‘skill issue don’t use a bad instance’, for example Wolfballs remained in the scene for a while until they were finally considered too rabid for most instances to tolerate.
You’re not gonna change their mind.
You’d be better spending your time breaking a brick wall with your skull.
Fuck em. Block em.
Sometimes, it’s not about changing their mind, but influencing the many others who are less certain in their beliefs who are just reading along.
In that case, it’s better to just make a top-level comment that’s far more likely to be read than a response 4 replies deep in an insufferable debate. You don’t continue the chess game for the sake of spectators once the pigeon has shat all over the board and knocked the pieces on the ground repeatedly. They’re just wasting your time at that point, which for most of them is their only goal in the first place.
Also, people vastly overestimate how many people are actually going to read an argument between two online people. Only the most chronically online of redditors read that shit. Most people find it very off-putting, and you actually risk losing credibility if you continue to engage. (Said as someone who has very much and repeatedly made the error of continuing to engage.)
If someone can be convinced into racism and hatred they were predisposed to assholery anyway.
Fair though.
Suppose I am too jaded to entertain them anymore. Can only hear so much before entertaining the nonsense wears on my mental.
how is blocking someone helping influence other people? youre the only human the block affects. its no different than ignoring them.
I think they mean not letting the ideas go unchallenged. If someone is reading through and sees a bunch of Nazis posting hate all up somewhere with no one else saying anything, they might assume that sort of behavior is just tacitly accepted and influence their perception of the community as a whole.
Yep.
I’m here for entertainment, as I assume most people are. If seeing that sort of rhetoric is a negative to you, block it. Marie Kondo your online life and yeet anything out the window that doesn’t spark joy. Put your anti-MAGA efforts towards improving your IRL community where you don’t have to futilely battle pseudonymous trolls.
But “all that is required for evil to prosper is that good men do nothing?” Or something?
That’s why I said this part
Edit: that was a little blunt. To elaborate, I don’t engage everyone I see in the grocery store wearing a MAGA hat. I don’t knock on the door of everyone flying a Trump flag. I don’t engage the white nationalist ass hat spouting off in the bar. We pick our battles based on many factors, including personal safety and well being. Find a way to help that actually does something and makes you feel good about it.
Well said!
Very rarely do people like this actually want to discuss why they are the way they are. They don’t care about your opinion, and will actively react negatively to any push back. Of course, you can always block them, but there is another choice
Politely ask them to snap a pic of their hog and post it.
You’ve actually found right leaning people on Lemmie? I thought they were either shoved out, bullied out or pushed out or just given up and left and went somewhere else.
More of a white-supremist/anti-LGBTQ/pro-Israel mashup.
But left-leaning, so they got that going for them.
Left-leaning by what definition?
I’m not saying that as a challenge, I’m legitimately curious what interpretation of ‘left’ tolerates those ideas. Even a bigot with economically social ideas (like a Strassertite) is typically considered ‘right-wing’.
Seemed to hate the current administration, and usa policies, but then they were German so who knows.
That’s, uh, not really left leaning… is it?
That’s not something we should be trying for though. Wouldn’t you be mad if suddenly conservatives came on and said that same thing about left-leaning people?!
nazis are not welcome here.
Good thing I’m not a nazi then.
Hope you’re doing your part to make nazis feel unwelcome.
I don’t know any nazis, but I’ve never condoned nor would I ever condone them. Are you around a bunch of nazis? Where do you live?!
Sure. Let’s go with that.
Not anymore. I left reddit. I don’t want lemmy becoming like reddit.
Good for you! I haven’t come across any Nazis here yet. Thanks for the warning.
There’s certainly a few who support fascists with fascist policies, and people who also support dictatorship.
I haven’t seen any.
Quick question, who did you name yourself after? If you’re American, did you vote for trump?
Nah, this isn’t about me. I prefer to stay private about stuff like that. Thanks for trying, tho!
Well that’s absolutely fair but people who support trump, support fascist dictators. So there’s your answer! I’ve seen some people on here who support trump, so they are supporting his fascist and dictatorial policies. That should clear things up for you!
That’s a lazy guilt-by-association fallacy. Supporting a politician doesn’t mean endorsing every extreme label slapped on them. If Trump were a fascist dictator, he wouldn’t have lost an election, left office, or faced multiple legal challenges from independent courts.
Fascism also requires suppression of free speech, yet his critics dominate every major media and social platform including this one, Lemmy.
Just because you dislike someone doesn’t make them a fascist. That’s emotion, not logic.
No its not.
It’s not endorsing him based on labels its his fascist dictatorial actions that make him a fascist dictator.
You’re right about Suppression of free speech, that’s why he wanting to deport people who criticism him glad we agree he is against free speech.
I’m not calling him a fascist because I disagree or dislike him I am calling him one because he is. It’s logical. Fawning over and defending him is emotional, and lacking logic.
Wanting something and doing it are not the same. Trump did not deport anyone for criticizing him, and the First Amendment is still fully in place.
If he were truly a fascist dictator, he would have dissolved Congress, taken control of the courts, and jailed opposition leaders. Which never happened.
Labeling someone a fascist just because you interpret their rhetoric in the worst possible light is not logic, it’s bias disguised as argument.
Except for banning AP at press events disputes a judge ruling they are allowed to be there? Funny 1st amendment being upheld. Or using cops to force their way through protestors for an photo op? Free speech wasn’t upheld there.
All false none of that needs to happen for him to be a dictator, when all the gop cronies are aligned with him.
How do you interpret that you won’t need to vote again? Or the home grows are next, or ignoring the judiciary as anything worse than the worst possible light? It’s only logical that these are the facts, and it’s not bias. Bias is ignoring, or defend these truths by plugging your ears.
Your argument relies on selective incidents and misinterpretations, lacking the comprehensive evidence needed to label Trump a fascist dictator.
The claim that Trump used police to clear protesters for a photo op at St. John’s Church has been scrutinized. A U.S. watchdog found that the decision to clear the area was made to install fencing, not for the photo opportunity.
Drugs suck. Including weed lol
Duh?
Lol, no, making excuses for this shit heel requires super gold level mental gymnastics.
Sure thing. Why was he surrounded by guards for a clear photo op hahaha.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/vote-four-years/
He literally said it.
I don’t care for drugs, but he’s talking about deporting us citizens.
Cope as you like.
Maybe read all of the “I wish the shooter would have been a better shot” comments on Lemmy. Maybe that will tell you why.
He says a lot of shit. Doesn’t make it law or truth. So where is the proof that we won’t be able to vote again? Any changes made to the constitution? How come every single newspaper in the world isn’t reporting on the fact that we won’t be able to vote again?
First term vs running for 2nd. Not the same. Also he didn’t need to go to a fucking church to take a photo op.
Do you know what plans are? You can’t seriously not see the issue with this. Will this only matter once it happens, or the fact that he is even alluding to it. Nothing matters until it happens? That’s your argument? He doesn’t care about the constitution, see prior ignoring the 1st amendment, and ignoring the judiciary.
It was reported on. He keeps adding more and more bull shit. Are you unfamiliar with the concept of the news cycle? You are aware the major news orgs are owned by like 6 companies right?
https://www.webfx.com/blog/internet/the-6-companies-that-own-almost-all-media-infographic/
Nah, you all hated him then too. That’s why so much crying when you all lost to him a second time.
Again show me proof that we won’t be able to vote again. Someone saying something, or thinking about something, or laughing about something isn’t proof that it’s going to happen.
Show me proof that there is a law or constitutional change that says we won’t be able to vote again. Or even a news article that says we won’t be able to vote again.
No shit we hate the felon con man. No one tried to kill though, only people that did were right wing nuts. Your lack of empathy to people crying when their lives are at risk is quite sad.
Again not an issue for you until it happens? Then what? It’s not an issue for you that the potus even hinted at this? What happens when you won’t be able to vote again? Is it a “oh no one told me?” Or a “oh well” for you? Just because there hasn’t been a law passed yet doesn’t mean he’s not a fascist dictator. He said it, and if that doesn’t bother you, it should.
I shared him saying it. And here is more for you.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-laura-ingraham-future-voting_n_66a85c2ae4b0e33a3bb7cd36
Obviously. Guess you all shoulda came up with a better candidate so that he wouldn’t have one a second time.
I didn’t say it wasn’t an issue. You stated it as fact, and I said it wasn’t a fact. Because it’s not.
Still no proof that we won’t be able to vote in the next election. Do you any proof of constitutional changes or laws that say that we won’t be able to vote again in the next election?
If not, then say you “think” we won’t be able to vote again. Because it’s your “opinion,” not fact. Right now there are no laws that say we won’t be able to vote in the next election.
It’s easy when Elon messed with the voting machines, as well as racially targeted voters registration lists being purged, and gerrymandering districts.
Cause he said it. That is known as a “fact”.
My person. Trump has shown he doesn’t care about laws, or the constitution. Your argument is that it has to be on the books before its a problem, it doesn’t have to be a law. It’s easy to make it so that you can cast a ballot and have not count, that removes your ability to vote. The fact that he mentioned it should have you FURIOUS. The fact that he said he was going to run for a 3rd term should make you ANGRY. The fact that he’s ignoring the judiciary should have you out in the streets. Sitting there saying “well there’s no laws” is a semantics argument.
LMAO
I’m not talking about someone saying something. I’m saying there is no proof that we won’t be able to vote next election. You have still not shown any proof.
Let’s save this conversation. then when voting time comes, will you apologize if you’re allowed to vote? Or is it gonna be a “well we can vote because we made sure we stopped him from changing things” sorta thing? lol
Wanna bet some bitcoin on us being able to vote next election? I’m willing to bet. Are you?
People in north Korea can vote too, is that “democratic”?
That’s not the discussion. You said we wouldn’t be able to vote in the next election. I asked for proof. You provided none, because there is no proof of that.
As to your point, it’s just what was said it doesn’t matter because there are no laws. Show me the laws or the constitutional amendment.
I’m just matching your energy brah.
There is no law or constitutional amendment that says we won’t be able to vote in next election. And you have no proof that we won’t be able to vote in next election.
I think we will be able to vote in the election just fine.
As if the felon cared about laws or the constitution, what you need to tell yourself to cope brah.
Again, you have no proof that we won’t be able to vote next election. Because there is no proof that says that.
Again, you don’t understand that the felon doesnt care about laws or the constitution. I’m sure you can vote next election, just like they do in russia and north Korea.
Again no proof. So are you just gonna refrain from voting next election then? Since you think it won’t count. First you said you wouldn’t be able. NOW you’re saying it just won’t count. So what are you gonna do about it?
Again you don’t understand that that fascist, rapist, conman felon doesn’t care about laws or the constitution, and your inability to comprehend “not voting” is the same as sham elections like russia or north Korea, is quite telling.
I will vote, because as of yet I don’t live in a fascist dictatorship. I will defend my country from the fascist is what I will do.
So you are refuting what you said earlier. Good job!
Lol no, never refuted what I said earlier, nice try, try again.
Nah, you admitted it. All good now.
Admitted what? That i will vote because I live in a somewhat democratic country? Yes, that doesn’t change the fact that trump is a fascist and any elections in the US will be sham elections.
It’s less about whether I’d feel mad, and more about how that materially affects our community. Left-leaning people are trying to make communities which allow all peoples (but not all ideas, like exterminating races and objectifying sexes), while plenty of conservatives (I don’t think the word ‘conservative’ truly applies, but many identify as conservative) are trying to exclude peoples they consider undesirables. If you wanted, you can walk into an anarcho-communist or M-L organization and, as long as you don’t offend them with any provoking symbols or offensive ideas, be welcomed. Not everyone can do the same in a reactionary community. So I don’t think it’s fair to equivocate anti-rightism with anti-leftism. (and, as a side note, if we want to talk about the rare ultra-liberalist (‘Libertarian’) free-speech everyone-welcome scenario, Lemmy already went through that with Wolfballs a few years back - their admin shut it down when they eventually realized they’d created a Nazi bar and that the WNs weren’t just being dumb and offensive as a joke.)
Furthermore, in the context of Lemmy overall, it was created by communists who were leaving reddit to avoid what you described:
Which is exactly what you and Lemmy are doing by saying conservatives are not welcome here. They are un-desired…ala undesirable. Can’t you see the irony of what you are saying?!
Take what you wrote and switch the words around. Change all the liberal words to Repubiclan. Then stand back and read it. Def sounds EXACTLY like how you all assume republicans talk and exclude.
Well, yes. It’s why conservatives recruit incels.
So there are no liberal incels?!
Looks like I touched a nerve.
You haven’t touched a nerve at all. I simply replied to your question. Is replying to a question or comment “touching a nerve”?!
If you say so.
Correct, I do say so. Looks like I touched a nerve with my reply to you. We cool?
No, their politics are unwanted. That’s a huge difference, it’s absurd to treat them as equal.
When I used the term ‘undesirables’, I didn’t mean literally ‘not desired’. I meant it in the context that reactionaries like NSDAP (Nazi Germany) and their modern fans use it - it referred to peoples like Slavs, Romani, Jews, black peoples, people with disabilities, homosexuals and ideological opponents, and more[1]. People, just because of their lineage, were considered subhuman (Untermensch) and sent to be deported or exterminated. And it’s absolutely applicable to the section of modern US conservatives (including their national leaders) who are currently embracing similar oppression of selected races and conditions. That’s the allusion I was making with the borrowed term ‘undersirables’, not just a person who is being offensive, starting fights and told to leave.
Identifying politically is a choice. One can refine their political positions, or even just be diplomatic and respectful, at any time, by choice. It’s very easy.
Being identified as a race, sex, or other similar category, is not a choice. So if you feel excluded because you named your account after two racist cunts and openly identify as ‘conservative’ in an anti-racist space, that’s something you can easily choose not to do if you actually want to be included. Don’t expect us to take you seriously when you compare that to the Republic party’s form of exclusion, oppressing people for how they were born, not how they choose to act in a society.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany, introduction, paragraph 3 and more ↩︎
So because someones politics are different than yours, they shouldn’t be treated as equal. Hmmmm…
Now image a republican saying that about democrats. Imagine your outrage. LMAO
See, regardless of what Lemmy says, not every republican is a Nazi. This is why you all lost the election. Because you don’t account for how many different kinds of republicans there are.
And you’ll lose the next one if ya don’t wake up.
No.
Stopped reading there. If you’re just going to invent strawman arguments no-one said, instead of trying to read and reply to what I wrote, why even talk with you?
Guy, you literally said: “No, their politics are unwanted.”
Which means they are different than yours. I mean, hey you are free to stop reading. Def nothing says we have to have a conversation.
But unwanted politics means they are different than yours. Not sure why you found that so controversial.
I’m not gonna change your mind. You’re not gonna change my mind. And that’s ok. Carry on your way, and I’ll go mine.
Looking back, I didn’t realize what I said could have been misinterpreted, if one isolated it from the next paragraphs. Sorry for the snappy response.
To clarify, and as discussed in that following paragraphs, I’m saying it’s absurd to treat someone’s politics being unwanted as equal to someone themselves being considered unwanted.
What I found so controversial was that your post misframed my position as if I thought people should be treated differently simply because their politics are different. That’s not true. My politics are different to a M-L’s, and to an anarchist, and I get along alright with them. No, my problem isn’t that people have different ideas, my problem is that bigots and the like (many call themselves ‘conservatives’) aim to have innocent people oppressed and killed through their political beliefs and actions. Politics isn’t some civil abstract philosophical discussion. Politics isn’t distinct from material reality. It’s not harmless and innocent to just have a political position. When a neo-Nazi org tries to spread their propaganda in public (yes, there are people in my city who try this. and yes, I mean “quotes the NSDAP and means it” neo-Nazi), they aren’t simply just expressing an idea, this isn’t some isolated discussion in a vacuum, they’re attempting to build a political movement that promises to get my friends, co-workers, and a whole bunch of my community killed just for how they were born. And we have a duty to protect the people we care about from being killed by fascists.
So when we “ban” that Nazi from feeling safe to express those politics in public, it’s not because we’re ‘triggered’ that they dared to have different politics, we’re responding appropriately to a credible, albeit not imminent, threat. Same with the non-nazi bigotry regularly seen among self-proclaimed “conservatives”, it’s people trying to make others excluded from society based on how they were born. That’s a threat to our safety.
So, again, like I said before, it’s absurd to equivocate people being banned for posting bigotry and reactionary ideologies, to people being considered “an undesirable”, a subhuman.
I couldn’t care less - I hope Biden and Kamala get shot alongside Trump and Vance. ¯_ (ツ)_/¯
Obviously. The US electoral system is undemocratic garbage and which party people identify with isn’t an indication of their political worldview - the Democrats are repulsive and harmful to the social justice movements they pretend to campaign for, I can’t blame anyone for opposing them. There is no good or even adequate option until you get into the minor parties, who most probably don’t know much about.
But, the party leadership has plenty of people who, for all intents and purposes, mirror the policies and tactics of the NSDAP circa 1933. They even managed to get the ultranationalism started (see Canada, Greenland). Nazi is an appropriate label for them, including Trump and Musk, to be clear.
If one wants to say all the supporters and footsoldiers aren’t Nazis because they’re too ignorant to understand what they’re supporting or think it’s the lesser evil, I say it’s pointless semantics. The minority of Germans who voted for the NSDAP pre-takeover are known to history as Nazis. The Wehrmacht who “fought for their country” instead of fighting their government are known to history as “Nazi soldiers”. Complicity is not innocent, people were hanged for “just following orders”. So, if you’re not a Nazi (and I don’t think you are one) you’re going to have to make your actions speak.
To be honest, I don’t take any politics very seriously. I realize that Lemmy has a more tech slant that attracts peoples who’s brains work, um, a little different. And more on here are apt to get fixated on something.
But i’m not one of those. So many here make politics their entire identity. I don’t.
It’s fun to discuss here and there. But my real life is just about fucking women, chilling with friends, fucking around with AI stuff and enjoying life.
I think Lemmy takes politics WAY too seriously and way too personally.
Most politicians suck. Most aren’t really looking out for us. So I just do my own thing.
But, you must understand, to many people politics is very personal, whether they like it or not.
You are very lucky to be able to do your own thing, to have the privilege of politics being fun and not very serious. But to millions of people, this is, literally, a life and death matter.
And there it is, that’s exactly what I meant. You’re proving my point. You’ve taken politics so personally that you’ve elevated it to “life and death” status in a country where, by law, no politician has the power to arbitrarily sentence people to death.
If you’re in the U.S., “politics” doesn’t decide whether you live or die—laws, courts, and due process do. We’re not in a dictatorship (regardless of what Lemmy says) where a party can declare entire groups of people to die based on politics.
So unless you’re saying elected officials are legally executing people outside the justice system, the “life and death” framing is emotional exaggeration, not fact.
Maybe someone feels like politics is life and death to them, but feelings aren’t proof of reality. And reacting to politics with that level of personal emotional investment tends to just polarize people more and cloud their ability to think critically.
That’s what I meant when I said people take it too seriously–and more pointedly, I was referring to Lemmy posters taking it too seriously.
I’ve seem post reacting to totally non-political information with politically-charged responses and accusation. Even if the topic didn’t start out political at all.
What does that have to do with anything? Politics isn’t just elected politicians, it’s not some entity distinct from society and the economy. And you don’t have to directly force someone’s death to cause it and be responsible for it.
In my country, the construction union forces their employers to follow safety procedures on site which the government does not legally enforce. Deaths of these construction workers due to workplace accidents has dropped because of workers using their political power as a trade union, while the government (due to pressure from construction employers) aims to dilute this power. In your country, unions have gradually lost a lot of their historic power and the rate of fatal workplace accidents is around double or more than most European countries, and close to that of Russia and Thailand. Workplace health and safety policy is, literally, life and death politics for many people.
In both our countries, there is a housing crisis which threatens more and more people and families with homelessness. This has huge impacts on their ability to work and even survive. Government policy impacts affordability of property, how much residential property is being built, the affordability of basic needs (like food and utilities), how much employers must pay for jobs, the rights of landlords and tenants (e.g. here there is an upper limit to how much a landlord can increase prices per month), social support to homeless people or those seeking work, and the legal concerns of homelessness (e.g. anti-camping laws, jail time for seeking shelter in vehicles, food disposal policy that promotes starvation). More and more people are dying because of homelessness and its effects. Housing policy is, literally, life and death politics for many people.
Political policy in the US has infamously enabled widespread, normalized police brutality. This especially (but not exclusively!) affects minorities such as black peoples, queer people and autistic people, regularly and consistently leading to deaths from shooting, unjustified physical assault and sadistic negligence while imprisoned. Law enforcement policy is, literally, life and death politics for many people.
The 9/11 attacks killed thousands of innocent civilians. That was politics, al-Qaeda is a political organization who were responding to the direct results of US foreign policy. Hundreds of thousands more were killed overseas in the US “War on Terror”, but even for its own domestic citizens, international geopolitics is, literally, life and death politics for many people.
Those are just a few example across a range of well-known political topics, not even getting into more indirect aspects like deciding where government funding goes to (e.g. heart disease research - heart disease being the single biggest cause of death), and not even diving into non-government political organizing. Politics includes the more extreme anti-abortion activists working to make even life-saving abortions illegal. Politics includes insane mass shooters targeting minority groups. Politics includes the assassination of Brian Thompson.
So you are arguing with me about US politics, and you aren’t even in the US?! There’s more to us that you see in the news.
This conversation is over. You don’t even live here, bro! lol
@DonaldJMusk @comfy Well, there are just things that are worse than death, aren’t there?
Lately, it’s reading Lemmy comments. The ultimate punishment.
No one is forcing you.
No one said I was being forced.
Duh
Would never say it’s something we should be trying for.
I meant Lemmy as a whole. And I agree with you that we shouldn’t be trying for that. I personally have been bullied and there have been plenty of attempts to push me out–all because I post links to news articles that have conservative points of view. Even when it’s AP News, I get bullied. lol
Did not everyone immediately agree with you and applaud?
Poor thing.
I have never expected people to immediately agree with me or applaud. But diversity of opinion and thought is supposed the be the cornerstone of Democratic values. But it’s not. Not at all. I have seen more bullying and hate in the name of Democratic values here on Lemmy than anywhere else in my entire life. LMAO
I doubt you would see that unless you were opposing Democratic values. Shit, you should see what happens if you suggest there should be living Palestinians.
Like what? Because friend, basically I would post an AP News article, and then get called a Nazi and told that I should be banned from the fediverse. My post history is public, see for yourself. lol
Whole lotta brietbart, americanthinker, pjmedia, dailymail.
Yep and AP News and Newsweek. You’ll notice that the brietbart, americanthinker, pjmedia, dailymail postings didn’t start till after I started getting the hate for AP News and Newsweek.
I figure if you all are gonna hate no matter what I post, then I can post from wherever I want. :)
And the sources you want indicate who you always were.
You all called me a Nazi. For posting AP News articles! Lemmy has thrown around that word so much, it’s losing it meaning. That’s how much Lemmy has lost their way lately.
I’m a native american/black dude with a jewish girlfriend. You all have lost your minds.
HA HA HA ha ha, you think your own race has anything to do with your nazi status? Nobody called you a nazi for posting AP News. Just look at your conservative posts, you barely post them anyway Dr BreitBart. This is DARVO right out the ass
Nope. But it’s doubly offensive when someone calls me a Nazi, when Nazis would actively seek me out and destroy me if they were around. lol
I was accused of being a Nazi lots when I was only posting AP News. I was banned from Lemmyworld c/politics because of posting news articles from legit orgs.
Now, to post in c/politics there, you can only use approved and verified news sources.
So in order for me to post there, all sources had to be approved. And they were. They don’t allow conservative-biased sources. Which is fine, cuz their community so their rules. So I followed their rules.
But in the end, I ended up being banned. Wanna know why? Because they accused me of being a user called Universal Monk. Who I’d never even heard of before the ban.
So they legit didn’t like the articles I was sending, accused me of being a nazi using AP News “propaganda,” but couldn’t really ban me for posting news articles from their own list, so they then decided I was someone else and banned me. For being someone I never even heard of.
Feel free to look up the modlog. It’s public. You can see my posts there.
So yeah, fuck all that noise. Now I’ll just post whatever I want. People can choose to read or not, I don’t care. :)
DISCLAIMER: Yeah, I know the .world instance is toxic and sucks, but it is the biggest Lemmy instance, so it has a lot of pull.
You were confused with the fediverse’s biggest asshole by accident? LOL, you went from “it’s their community” to “they used a bullshit reason to get rid of me.” You are a side show and a half.
To make my point. I posted a science article to lemmy.world c/science (!science@lemmy.world) just now.
It’s from phys.org.
Non-political. Good legit article. About dinosaur findings. The article: https://phys.org/news/2025-04-air-pockets-bones-alvarezsauridae-skeleton.html
Immediately got 2 downvotes. Within 30 seconds of posting. People downvoted because they don’t like my personal politics. Had nothing to do with the article.
Not very scientific-minded, heh? LMAO
https://lemmy.today/post/27009051
I get the feeling you’re putting science as a whole before sociology here. It’s self preservation to push those that would damage the herd outside of the herd.
Sure, but it’s fucking Lemmy. It’s a forum for shit-talk. It ain’t the real world. I don’t take it that seriously.
But reading the posts of some, and it’s like Depression-porn and doomscrolling-porn. Many on Lemmy seem to be happier being unhappy. lol
That’s a hell of an opinion to hold. When you don’t seek to understand those you don’t agree with, you are perfectly ok with them holding onto dissonance that they very likely don’t have. I don’t think you understand Lemmy, you dismiss it as locker room talk.
Which is exactly how Lemmy is with conservatives and their points of view.
It is locker room talk. Dude, no one has even fucking heard of Lemmy. How many users are on Lemmy total? Maybe few hundred thousand? Not even a fucking dent against reddit, and most people in the real world don’t even take Reddit seriously.
You vastly overestimate the reach and influence that Lemmy has on the real world.
Anyone have real numbers on how many users Lemmy has? I don’t know right off, but it’s small. Very very small.
This simultaneously sounds like “conservatives are a minority and they shouldn’t be treated this way” and “the fediverse is small, they deserve to be treated this way”
Nah, I don’t really care THAT much. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of vast majority of Lemmy users. I don’t really care one way or the other. I’ll continue to post what I want, and I’ll continue not taking any of it seriously.
It’s legit like posting Raiders stuff to a Broncos-leaning forum on a site that promises they welcome everyone when they don’t. lol
People being mad makes no difference to my real world at all.
I’m still retired at 50. I’m still fit and healthy. I still spend awesome days in the park and hiking in the beautiful countryside every morning and evening. Life is awesome, even tho Lemmy says the world is gonna end soon. (it won’t end anytime soon)
Go Raiders, by the way. Go Knights. :)
You care so little that when somebody finds a hole in your philosophy that you feel compelled to remind them of how little you care. Something keeps bringing you back to shout into the downvoting void.
That’s how you read that?!
Dude, I have no “philosophy” and don’t feel “compelled” to do anything. This isn’t Star Trek or a legal courtroom. It’s fucking Lemmy. lol
I’m responding to your comments.
So when I stop posting, you’ll stop posting? What brings you back to a community (all of Lemmy as you say it) that actively rejects you?
When you stop commenting, I’ll stop replying to you. But I won’t stop posting.
I gotta represent the small minority that pushes against the narrative. Be the change you wanna see, right? :)
You keep hating. I’ll keep posting in spite of the hating. All good, yes?
No skin off my nose that you’re a masochist.
Good. Because I’m not a masochist. Like I said, I don’t take Lemmy seriously. But you seem to. You good?
Yes, both are true. It is their community. But they decided to get creative to get rid of me. And all I did was post AP News and Reuters articles. They are allowed to do that, but my point stands that I think the real reason I was banned was because they don’t like conservative points of view–regardless of the legitimacy of the source. Which is a form of censorship.
I’m not banned from everywhere, so no biggie. I still post, so no biggie. But let’s not pretend that people don’t like me because I post fox news articles. Dude, come on now… You know Lemmy doesn’t like conservatives. It’s that simple.
And you also know that Lemmy throws around words like “Nazi” and “fascist” way too much and in fact has started to dilute the power of those words. Which is too bad. Because Lemmy is becoming as hateful as the people they say they fight against.
Things I do know:
Things I don’t “know”:
Life is simpler when you tell other people what they know, not accurate, but simpler.
I get why people throw those words around your posts but it’s absolutely not because of your sources. If anti-fascist sentiments offend you, then I have some news for you, friend.
Truth! lmao
Fair point. From our conversation I assumed you would have seen that. My fault.
Yeah, what is something I have said in any of my posts that makes me a nazi or a fascist.
Oh christ. This isn’t reddit. Stop saying reddit shit.
I stand by what I said.
And Lemmy is becoming Reddit lately. lmao
nazi digg can keep their nazis.
Where are the nazis on Digg and Reddit? I don’t see them.
Oh, fuck off with this ridiculous lie.
Reddit coddles nazis. Then they get to lemmy and expect the same treatment.
Then they whine that they get called nazis for posting nazi shit.
I disagree. but anyhow, we aren’t Reddit yet. so relax.
No. You know reddit is full of nazis.
And you want that for lemmy. Which is why you spam nazi shit like brietbart.
None of what you are saying is true. lol
Ok, reddit also has bots in addition to the nazis.
You post bottom-barrel news sources because your high integrity news sources get downvoted? Brother I don’t know how to tell you this… It’s not who you post, it’s what you celebrate.
Yep! The reality is I get downvoted no matter what. Even non-political science articles.
Which is fine because I don’t take Lemmy seriously. But it does show that Lemmy doesn’t are about fact, they care about the emotional hit of downvoting someone they don’t personally like.
I think it’s hilarious that they take it so seriously though.
That definitely is a reality, but I don’t think you’ve wrapped yourself around the “why” yet.
Oh I know the “why.” Because they don’t like conservative points of view. But I’m not changing.
Lemmy is open to everyone, just not necessarily “welcome” to everyone.
But I plan to stay in spite of the drama. So all good.
I thought the GOP was the party of personal responsibility? But you really think you’re blameless in this?
I thought the democratic party was the party of inclusion and diversity? But you really think other people are blameless in this?
Maybe it used to be, but a few bad apples spoiled the bunch. I’ve been hearing more of a social contract approach where you’re respected IFF you respect everybody else. Fail to do that and you’re as good as a traitor.
Fair point.
Report their comments, most instances will ban them unless they comment on a Nazi instance in which case good riddance.
If its a nazi instance, ask your admin to defederate.
I tend to not reply because that will just draw more attention to them. I will post a separate top level comment rebutting their statements without referring to them.
That’s a good strategy, thanks.
Call them a dumbass bitch idiot
There’s a lot of other good suggestions here, so I’ll just ask, what outcome are you hoping to achieve?
My conscience. assuaged.
If that’s the case, I’d recommend treating them like spam: reply and you’ll get a lot more.
Mostly, it’s a huge emotional and time investment if you want to change someone’s behavior and from what I gather, it’s a one on one type of thing and really hard. If you want to stop them from interacting negatively with others, your best action would be to report them.
If you’re upset and want to vent, then engaging will be fun for a while, but mostly futile in terms of behaviour adjustments.
If I respond, it’s mostly for the ‘audience’. I used to argue on r/libertarian or r/conservative, not to change the other person’s mind, but to add a different opinion to the thread. I doubt I ever convinced the other person of anything, but hope I got other people to think a bit more about some of the policies being advocated for.
This makes it look like the post is popular and draws more attention. Depending on the platform, it signals the algorithm to show it to more people.
Doing this is engaging exactly the way they expect you to engage, it helps no one.
Don’t feed the trolls. If you find a bigot willing to have a good faith debate, maybe, but there is no reasoning with cult members. They have to want to change.
Ignore them, then vote accordingly. Nothing you or I say will have any effect
On the internet, you’re not likely to change their mind, like at all. But in person, if you can connect with someone and bring it back to family, and community, you can slowly change someone’s mind and show them that they’ve been lied too. It doesn’t happen overnight, but it can be done.
On the interwebs, don’t even bother.
This topic always reminds me of this hero https://www.npr.org/2017/08/20/544861933/how-one-man-convinced-200-ku-klux-klan-members-to-give-up-their-robes
I want to see more people like him in this world. But I sure wouldn’t have the guts to follow his steps.
When Lemmy first got popular and all debates happened and such, I kept debating politely while they kept bashing, insulting and all that. I’m over that.
When I see such opinions now, I block them. They are seriously not worth my time, energy and effort. Let them wallow in their misery.
They won’t realize it but everything bad they hope happening to others will certainly bite them back sooner or later. The moment they do not fit their (own) ideology of fascism just a tiny bit, it’ll bite them back.
I’d bet it is already happening to them, as they are almost always full of self hatred, bashing more and more because of it, like one runs faster and faster away from a car (I’m bad at metaphors).
This applies to all of us. What we put out returns. It’s easy to repay hate for hate, but…a lie travels quickly while truth endures and eventually prevails. I’m not saying do not defend ourselves where necessary; but to do so with sorrow and compassion.