There’s very much a Peter Thiel-esque type of libertarian tech bro - think the crypto fanatics, the Elon Musk fanboys, etc. Or, tangentially, how New Atheism collapsed in part because some women had the audacity to point out that sexual harassment is a thing. On a similar note, just go onto any online video game and openly announce yourself to be gay or a woman.
Geek culture and its associated cultures have always had an undercurrent of sexism, probably not unrelated to the fact that they’re historically dominated by somewhat awkward or lonely men. That feeling of male angst and isolation is absolutely something that the Right has been able to successfully exploit. Take Gamergate, for instance.
I get your point, really, and I don’t even strictly disagree. As I said, I disagree with a fair bit of your standard Online Left positions. I unironically like Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton and have the audacity to generally listen to economists; suffice it to say I’ve gotten more than fair share of online political hatred lol. Leftists will call me a shit liberal and conservatives will call me an evil gay communist.
But what must be realized is that the Republican party as it exists today is simply not an equally viable and rational alternative group of people who simply have some different thoughts on tax policy and the scoped of government. I direly wish it was, but it simply is not that. Polarization sucks, and I don’t really have a clear answer for it, but the answer must not be taking the questions like “Are gay people secretly grooming your children?”, “Is climate change a hoax?”, “Was the 2020 election stolen from Trump?”, “Should we legally impose Christianity at every level of society?”, and “Is Hillary Clinton secretly a bloodthirsty cannibal that feeds off the youthful vitality of children?” and deciding that there are valid points on both sides.
I get that politics is exhausting, but being “apolitical” is a political choice. It’s the decision that you’re okay with the status quo and that you don’t think it’s worth making a fuss about. I’m originally from deep rural Missouri, and while it has since been voided by the Courts, I have (adult) trans friends who began developing suicidal thoughts because the state was going to ban hormone therapy. This was a regime that ostensibly claims to be for limited government arbitrarily inserting itself in the private medical decisions of consenting adults for no reason other than to appeal to a base of bigots. Things like this matter, whether you choose to pay attention or not. Being able to ignore them is a luxury not everyone has.
Communities are going to have to start actively moderating and removing blatant abuse like that. I haven’t seen very much, but ultimately, we cannot rely solely on votes or people simply being nice forever. It’s always a touchy question, but every community ultimately has some standards of acceptable behavior, and it’ll take time for us to figure out what ours is.
This is one of their announcement posts.
Hey all, longtime Marxist-leninist, recorder of left audiobooks, and megathread shitposter here.
Posting this in light of a recent one week Reddit ban I earned for shitting on US police, as I’m sure many of us have gotten in recent weeks.
So I’ve spent the past few months working on a self hostable, federated, Reddit alternative called Lemmy, and it’s pretty much ready to go. Unlike here we’d have ultimate control over all content, and would never have to self censor.
Obviously as communists, we agitate where the people are, so we should never abandon Reddit entirely, but it’s been clear to all of us from day one, that communities like this stand on unsteady ground, and could be banned or quarantined at any moment by the white supremacist Reddit admins. This would be both a backup and a potentially better alternative. Moderation abilities are there, as well as a slur filter.
Raddle isn’t an option obviously since it’s run by this arch anti tankie scum, ziq.
I wanted to ask ppl here if they’d like me to host an instance, and mod all the current mods here.
I really don’t think it’s a wild stretch to say that the people who run an instance that is moderated with a clear political agenda, who actively say that their intent is to promote that agenda, and who are officially promoting that instance in their capacity as developers - are in fact doing so in order to promote that agenda.
But hey, maybe that’s a reach.
I wouldn’t say it’s fully bullshit. The far left and far right, despite having very different ultimate goals, do have one very significant common point in both being opposed to the status quo, and in that opposition, you see some common tactics and ideas develop, such as a tendency towards authoritarianism and an increased tolerance for violence.
Consider that weirdest kind of leftist who’s so far down the “America bad” rabbit hole that they unironically support Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, despite Russia being as close to a Christo-fascist sexist homophobic authoritarian hell hole as currently exists.
They’re probably being downvoted because presenting the political divide as an arbitrary choice between two equally valid options is a perspective that many would find naive at best and actively malicious at worst.
Politics is mess, I don’t want to pretend that there’s no nuance (I certainly don’t agree with quite a lot of online leftist orthodoxy), and I won’t pretend to have an answer for our increasing polarization, but the simple fact of the matter is that we are not dealing with two equally valid sides. “Did Joe Biden win the 2020 election?”, “Are vaccines a conspiratorial attempt at government control?”, “Is climate change a severe and man-made phenomenon?”, and “Are LGBT people basically just evil perverted pedophiles?” are not subjective questions one can have a casual opinion on. They are objective questions with objective answers, and to pretend otherwise is simply wrong.
Again, I’m very much not saying that the vague left is perfect by any means, but you only see one side start shooting at beer cans because a trans person had the audacity to exist.
I always love it when people reduce debates around whether the public existence of LGBT people is actually pedophilia or whether Black people being routinely murdered by police is an actual problem to being nothing more than a mere distraction against the Real Fight against the evil elite lizard people.
Listen, it’s cool that these are the kinds of issues that obviously don’t affect you or the people around you. But not everyone actually agrees that literally every issue ever can be reduced to being a sideshow of a greater class-based conflict. Do you not see how deeply patronizing it is to be told that the debates about your core identity are meaningless distractions that we need to stop talking about? I can see it being easy to believe that if your core identity isn’t routinely made to be a political issue that can be debated, but not all of us are so lucky.
Fundamentally, karma limits were mostly used as an anti-spam measure, if a rather crude one. I was actually a mod of a couple relatively large subs, and while I did feel bad for the impact on new users, the benefit from how much spam we caught with it made it ultimately worthwhile. There very well may be better approaches out there though, and I am excited to see how things grow here, but it is going to be a problem that the Fediverse will face as well.
I do wonder though what a better alternative might be (and if this has been studied at all). It’s fundamentally an issue with people being emotional and often quite bad at separating their own personal feeling from their voting. I know some platforms simply disable downvotes, which partially solves the issue, but at the same time, I think there is some value in communities being able to downvote spam or genuinely poor content. Maybe if you had to also make a comment - thus upping the amount of effort required - it’d be better?
Kbin does also have the quirk that votes are actually public, so you can actually tell if someone is following you around downvoting everything. That could potentially be seen as a rule violation and lead to being banned from an instance.
Being surrounded by a bunch of people that are all excited about the same thing as you can be a really great experience for some people. It can make you feel like you’re a part of a community. Add in music you really like, some friends or people you might meet, perhaps a mind-altering substance of some sort, and for a lot of people, that’s a really fun time. If you just generally don’t like dealing with people though, yeah, it’s not gonna be your thing.