Thereās quite a few communities that iām missing on Lemmy.
It could potentially lead to a trial, and/or āsaveā Lemmy, so it seemed worth asking, just in case.
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Not a lawyer, but I believe if you want to take content others have posted on Reddit and repost it here, you would violate their copyright on that content. You would want to get their consent before you post it here or else the instance you post them to could start getting DMCA requests and could ultimately be sued. Iām guessing you could also be sued for writing the software that violated the copyright.
Itās not likely to happen but it could. My concern would be less about what ill effects you and/or Lemmy might incur and more around the ethics of taking content belonging to other social media users and reposting it without their permission. Reddit TOS says users retain copyright on their content, so itās other usersā rights youāre violating in doing so.
Now if youāre talking about a bot that reposts only content you have posted on Reddit, youāre probably in the clear.
Thatās the only thing worrying me, yes, but since lemmit did itā¦ i.d.k. Thanks for the comment !
Sure! Hereās one more thing I wish you would consider before you go forward with it: if you didnāt get sued for doing this, it wouldnāt be because you didnāt break the law. It would be because the people whose rights you violated canāt afford to sue (or maybe itās just that they donāt have teams of lawyers scouring the internet to make sure all their rights are protected and havenāt noticed as a result). If Reddit claimed ownership over all content posted on the platform, it would be no less illegal, but youād get a cease-and-desist in a heartbeat, followed by a lawsuit if you didnāt comply. Trying it only because the people whose rights youāre violating canāt protect themselves makes the whole thing feel like punching down.
The justification I hear for this sort of activity is usually to damage Reddit in some wayā¦ but itās not actually Reddit thatās being damaged. Itās other people like all of us who ultimately have been used by Reddit for free labor for the last nearly two decades now. These bots are now victimizing them again in the interest of getting back at the entity who first victimized themā¦ but that should really be their choice since it was their content. It just doesnāt feel justified to me.
Now if you wrote a script that a Reddit user could use that would grab all of their own Reddit posts, post them to an appropriate Lemmy community, and delete them from Reddit (not sure if deleting a Reddit post is even possible at this point š ), and convinced a bunch of them to use it, that seems to me like the right approach. The users have full agency to decide whether or not their content gets moved, but youāre making it easy for them to do the thing you want them to do.
Iām no staunch defender of copyright, but it sucks that because access to the legal system is expensive, corporations like Reddit get the benefit of the law while regular people like you and me donāt get that if we canāt afford tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal bills. If weāre going to have copyright law, it should definitely protect regular people who take the time to share things with others online for virtually no benefit to themselves just as much if not more than it does massive corporations.
By illegal, do you mean against Lemmyās rules or against legislation?
For the former, I think itās up to each communities rules. In general, bots should be marked as such so that users can chose to hide them if they wish. For the latter, apart from neighboring rights which allows news outlets in some countries to seek remuneration from links to articles, thereās nothing illegal in sharing links on Lemmy.
As for existing bots copying posts from Reddit, there is lemmit.online but is has been broken since Reddit removed their RSS feeds.
The latter
But thanks, i didnāt know about lemmit even if i read about the different instances before, itās still a bit hard to find communities of interest(, but not anymore than with reddit, youtube, twitter, facebook, discord, etc ). Iāve subscribed to their TIL but the search function for Sync or Jerboa arenāt very informative.
I havenāt been able to subscribe to communities Iām not already subscribed to using Sync, I usually go on the web interface.
If you want to search for already copied communities, you should search lemmitās local communities. To request new ones, you have to post on !requests@lemmit.online, but keep in mind that the bot is broken until its author updates it.
Yep thatās what iām currently doing with mapporn, itās easier with a computer, iām glad to have found out this bot exists(, or existed until 3 days ago, donāt yet know how itāll turn out).
The question is unclear. What are you proposing to do? Everything that anyone posts here is already publicly available.
An instance would simply post(, or create a community for each large or interesting-enough subreddits that doesnāt already exist here,) every day all the posts from the last 24 hours, with the same title and the same picture. A simple bot should be able to do the trick without accessing the a.p.i.(, or even so by paying less than a personal app since it would be a single āpersonā(bot) making the calls one time per day ; in any case, most likely not a technical problem).
If itās open and automated to such an extent then it may bring trouble, but if such content is free to be stolen then it should perhaps be done i suppose(, even if reddit wonāt like it, especially if itās before their first public offering, but probably afterwards as well).
This ruins the Lemmy
For you perhaps, but for me itās the lack of content/communities that make Lemmy inferior. Just block this bot if you donāt want to see it on your instance, and the userbase as a whole will be satisfied :)
There were instances doing exactly that. I donāt know if theyāre still around because I blocked them as soon as they started showing up my feed. Most people absolutely hated them because itās basically just spam.
Yeah the posts themselves are good enough, seeing as they are what people were used to over on the other site, but since nobody really engages with them over here, not even the OP, they are just kind of spam. OP check out lemmit.online
If a spam is defined as the o.p. not interacting then yes thatād be a spam, but most people are here for the picture or the information, it shouldnāt be a debate that redditās content is more or less the only thing making them superior to Lemmy, the userbase comes afterwards. Thatād be an undeniable improvement, we wouldnāt āloseā anything anymore by coming over to Lemmy.
And thanks for the advice, i subscribed to TIL, that was exactly what i was looking for, but thereās not a lot of subreddits(, edit : on the contrary, thereās a lot of them, more visible on a computer, but if youāre reading this comment and are interested, as a reminder you may have forgotten that you can still subscribe to communities belonging to instances your own instance has defederated with, it fortunately has zero impact, only on the local feed).
So, thatās legal apparently.
I disagree. I am usually much more interested in people dissing or adding to the post than the post itself. That is why I mentioned that nobody interacting with them is not interesting to me. I scrolled the datahoarder āmirrorā for a good while and I failed to find a single comment on it. (And no I didnāt post either. Iām a nasty lurker.)
I can definitely see your point if you just want to scroll some memes or news or whatever and donāt need twenty random peopleās hot takes on it.
Do you remember their names ?
If people loved the content on reddit then they would continue to love it on Lemmy, itād be the same posts, not anymore of a spam here than there, thatās not a decisive counter-argument for me but thanks for the reply :)
Itās one thing for you to find content that you think is worth posting on lemmy and then duplicating the post here - even using a bot. This requires you to self evaluate whether the content is worthwhile before posting it. Itās another to simply repost all content from a sub without any human evaluation.
The biggest issue I see with bot posts is that they tend to spam the heck out of lemmy. At first I tried blocking bots that I found spammy, but ultimately I disabled seeing bot accounts because I got tired of constantly blocking them individually.
Keep in mind that yes, there is less content here, but that also means that if you make a bot that reposts all (or a lot) of content from active Reddit subs, you are going to inundate peoples feeds. It wonāt be a problem for me, because Iāll never see it. But new and less tech savvy users might be annoyed/frustrated by the situation.
when I was seeing bot posts, it didnāt seem like they got any activity. It was a bunch of posts filling up my feed with no comments or activity ā Just a bot shouting into the void.
If you prefer that Lemmy stays small and eventually dies because of a lack of content then itās your problem, donāt make it mine.
Only people subscribed to these communities will see these posts, except in the local feed if your instance hasnāt defederated with lemmit.
If thereās only one bot who mentions in his posts that you can block him, then your issue is solved as well as mine, and Lemmy will become as attractive as Reddit. Canāt believe your opinion has so much support, itās like youād prefer Lemmy to stay insignificant.
No need to be hostile, nor put words in my mouth. I gave my view and reasoning without doing so. You should try to do the same. This isnāt Reddit, and I would prefer it to stay that way.
And i would prefer if Lemmy was the number one social media in terms of usage, i hope that itās @dessalines goal if itās not yours, once again you would just have to block the bot if you donāt desire to have more content. Thanks for the chat.