Why are most people here are negative and rude?
Just to be clear here, I am not talking about instance, rather I am asking about the whole community.
There is no one I seen here who even had expressed any passion towards anything really.
I cannot understand how did that happen?
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Really?
More people more drama. I rarely see rudeness in my experience
I feel like casual rudeness and insults have become more common as more people have come over from Reddit.
God damet, redditors ruining a nice thing again :(
The first few waves of people are going to be the asshats that got banned for one thing or another. Some good people, mostly bad apples.
Are people negative and rude or not expressed passion towards anything?
Also, I think there is a good passion for tech surrounding this community. I like that.
Yeah ! Except in the dev/code realm… They seem very aggressive to each other, specially if you whisper something like: Rust is safer than C !
I don’t really get it, but I find It very pleasant to read when passionate people write a whole essay I don’t even understand 1/10 of what they are writing… However, there seems some heated negativity in that community !
Yeah, the tech community here is pretty awesome. Politics community, definitely not awesome.
I’ve found much more genuine, honest discussion on here than other platforms. More people say thanks when someone corrects them. I feel like I’m talking to reasonable adults, for the most part.
It definitely depends on what communities you’re in!
What communities are you frequenting?
The ones I sub and post to have been nice.
Same here
I don’t think it’s “growing,” more that as society continues to get worse people’s outlooks grow darker.
world on fire people in fire OP: Why aren’t you smiling?
Pretty much!
See, that’s the problem. I don’t think the world is getting “worse,” it’s just the doomscrollers on Lemmy wanting it to be worse to fit their own twisted narratives.
I think a lot of Lemmy posters are depressed and actually want everyone else to be depressed.
For many MANY groups it is getting objectively worse.
For those in the USA:
For our great historical allies of Canada and Mexico:
For the rest of the world:
The only group that aren’t generally hurt yet are: well off older white men
As a member of that group I find it fucking disgusting what is being done to everyone that isn’t in this group at the hands of this group.
I don’t think any of that is any worse off than it was a few years ago though.
You’re being intellectually dishonest if you are claiming your statement is true.
Can I ask if you are a white, well off, man?
Just because I said something that you didn’t agree with doesn’t mean I was being “intellectually dishonest,” and it’s rude of you to imply that.
I’m not white, nor am I well off. Live in midsize city and never made more than $40K my entire career, and in fact made substantionaly less than that for most of it.
I lived through the 80’s. Try living then and telling me that life is worse now. lol
You can keep your false righteous indignation. How can you claim to tell person in an El Salvador prison right now its “no worse off”? Please, explain that to me. How about a fired federal worker? Is it “no worse off” for them now they’re unemployed?
I already told you I’m an older, well off, white man. Yes, I lived through the 80s too. How is that relevant at all? You’re we should be happy now because we don’t have 12% interest rates yet and stagflation is how we should be okay with trump destroying the world economy for likely the better part of the upcoming decade? Why stop your measure over 40 years ago, long before most of the people here were even born?
Why not tell interracial married couples “Try living in 1966 and not being able to get legally married to your spouse of a different race. lol”
Why not tell women and “Try living in 1918 and not being able to vote. lol”
He’s not worth trying to debate. He’s not bringing logic to the table. He’s rooting for Trump because he thinks the Democrats have had a shitty attitude for awhile and wants Democrats to “get what they deserve.” DJM here will burn it all down to ruin your day because somebody was a little snarky to him about a political opinion once.
I’m not burning anything down. I’m just having a conversation on Lemmy. Calm down
I don’t think things are getting worse. You do. It’s ok that we disagree. And I don’t think any of this should add to the “hate” problem that some see on Lemmy. Which is the point of OP’s post.
Hate isn’t the answer, even if someone’s mad about whatever political environment they are in.
So you refuse to defend your spoken position with anything concrete, even though I’ve asked you about multiple specific examples that contradict your position.
Well why would you? You seem to be just fine with the destruction of lives around you, even making supporting statements that you think its good these things are happening to these people. Why do you think that your positions don’t deserve hateful responses? Lemmy doesn’t have a “hate” problem. Today’s leadership in the USA, and as a consequence, our society now does.
I agree with that statement. However, your chosen positions are steeped in hate yet you defer or ignore it. That wreaks of hypocrisy on your part, and points back to the intellectual dishonesty I accused you of earlier.
I’ve given you my opinion. I don’t have to back anything up. I gave you my opinion. You gave me yours. I don’t care enough to go deeper.
Hate’s not the answer. But you do you, boo.
Nope. I don’t hate anyone.
Don’t sell yourself short. You’ve got apathy, malice or ignorance.
You just condone members of your government hating vast groups of people by voting for them. Doesn’t seem like the actions of a loving person
I’ve never said nor have I ever done anything that condones anyone hating vast groups.
It very demonstrably is. Credit card debt is at record highs, home ownership is down, rents are a bigger proportion of salary than they’ve been in like a century, one in every five children in the US face food insecurity, incarceration is the highest in the world by far both in volume and per capita, people are going bankrupt with medical debt at record rates.
Just because you don’t want to face up to it doesn’t mean it’s not happening.
Sure, if you refuse to look at the sky it’s pretty hard to see the asteroid getting bigger.
Meh, we just disagree.
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Please also report people being rude, that’s a temp ban here.
What’s with all the downvotes? I swear there has to be vote manipulation going on with some of these threads.
ehhh i wouldn’t it way to start and angry mob and sometimes i dont trust mods descension. since even servers with no rules will make up reasons for a ban
Find the best available option? Or start your own server with no rules and attract others who want no rules?
I think a good community would have restrictions to avoid unnecessary hate
We’re negative doomscrollers, true. But most people seem pretty polite, at least in my experience.
Your right about the doom scrollers part. Everyone on Lemmy atleast on the larger subs are always negative. Politics are dominating the main subs and explore page. It’s such a turn off. Politics needs to generally stay out if the lime light. Instead of doom posts thrown in your face. Non stop.
We all have our reasons for being here. The politics is definitely depressing, but it’s something a lot of Lemmites have in common.
You’re right that it’d be nice if there was more going on.
I can be negative. But I love people and want the best for everyone. What I don’t like are the toxic systems of control that some people are under, and some people follow. Aand sometimes I can be swept up in the injustice, and lose my patience with extreme followers.
I apologise in advance to this community if I make someone’s mood worse, instead of better. I can often fail, and yet we should all strive to be a healthy member of the communities we inhabit!
You’ll have to be more specific. I’m not seeing any unusual amount of negativity.
What’s that thing about expressing any passion? What do you mean by that?
Go to any political post. Everyone is calling others names and it’s not productive at all.
But that’s humans? It’s always been like that, everywhere at all times. The only thing that’s changed, maybe, is that Lemmy is growing and there’s more discussion in general so of course the absolute number of things that cause name-calling has grown too, just like the absolute number of things that don’t.
That’s not true. Go to youtube and read the comments under any lofi video but that’s just one example. When Lemmy just started it was a place for people to escape the fanatics and now it’s becoming more toxic.
And that’s Youtube, an entirely different place that isn’t the topic of discussion here and that’s ALSO always been Like That. Never Look At The Comments is received wisdom.
Yep, most smaller communities on Lemmy are awesome. Political communities are terrible and the people who are mad at ya in those, will follow you to non-political communities just to downvote and harrass. It’s toxic.
Selection bias mostly, you only remember the negative interactions. I’m new here but I’ve not run into any particularly negative or rude people so they don’t seem super common, nowhere near like reddit.
yeah i noticed they tend to go after certain posts and they need to be primed by either downvotes or a comment. the rude people will be quiet if you make safe posts but if they get a hint that there other people that don’t like you then they dogpile. i noticed a good way to trigger it is to basically say or imply you do things without their approval or you dont care what they think
That sounds… rather conspiratorial.
Also, just yesterday I posted a longish rant about doing what you want and not caring about what people think in a comment and the only reply I got was ‘This is the kind of pep talk I need!’, so… shrug Guess we travel in different circles.
well i don’t say that its orchestrated or premeditated, its generally that group wants to feel part of a group and they look for signs that they’re part of a group. the “tipping point” is a comment (or even a downvote on op replies) and then people that seek approval align themselves with the largest group.
I told the anti ai crowd that i was going to make an ai bot somewhere on the fediverse just to see how people would interact with it fedizens, simply to satify my curiosity, so that’s the context. i just telling people “you’re being an asshole to me and making demands from me while I’m just trying to hear you out, so i don’t feel like changing for you”
My bad, perhaps the better word to use would’ve been paranoid. Had a similar ring to ‘they only come out when no one else is looking’, ya know?
Oh okay. I did have a conversation I tried to explain a litteral conspiracy and I kept getting called a conspiracy theorist
Yep! And they’ll follow you to other communities just to downvote. It’s crazy how some here.
I still like Lemmy more than Reddit tho!
Lol yesh they got obsessed with me to the point that I had to delete old accounts. Like I posted a story about how I kept calling out a developer for always hyping and never delivering and even lying. They basically would not let me post it on any other community and they even successfully got shit post c/ to delete the story.
Funniest thing is that I posted it to a obscure 200 followers community and one of them still found it and started attacking me.
These people are hilarious. They’re petty and I’m petty, and they’re the embodiment of anger (irrational) mod
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I see your a conservative on a left leaning platform which that’s got to be hilarious. Don’t worry I think fediverse should be welcoming to the right and help the right make their own instance. I’m anti corporations so I’m happy if corporations lose audience do to their audience doing their own thing.
That guy is obsessed and really wants other people to hate you. Personally I ignore the peer pressure nonsense
And he even followed me to this thread just now! LMAO
https://lemmy.today/post/26676768/15309798
Lol he actually quote clipped you. Man that’s guys looking for reasons to be petty. Make sure to talk in as simple terms as possible
It’s definitely been an adventure. I was banned from a politics sub because they thought I was an alt username from some other banned conservative person. Not because of what I posted or what I said, but because they thought I was an alt of a entirely different conservative poster. Which I’m not, by the way. lmao
But yeah, I ignore all the peer pressure here.
Lemmy isn’t open to alternative voices… yet. But I think we’ll eventually get big enough to allow people of all viewpoints here–which many people here DON’T want, and that’s why the pushback.
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It’s probably a downstream effect of the souring mood in the United States as the consequences of the current administration and our slide into fascism become increasingly apparent. Can’t speak for the rest of the world, but it’s hard to believe things are getting better out there.
Okay, there are three reasons why this is:
Anonymity grants people the ability to be assholes.
You’ve done something or said something that was going to get people riled up over.
People from rejected instances, sites .etc come here to carry over their shitty nature.
Its the internet, no matter how much people here like to think lemmy is some kind of special utopia its no different to any other site or social media.
The Tumblr effect
Thing allows freedom of speech Thing now has “bad apples” Thing either get lobotomized or accomodates with that freedom.